Posted on 16/07/2021 19:22
I read elsewhere that C&CC are closing some sites and cancelling people’s bookings due to staff shortages. Sure enough, it's true and they've updated their website today. I hope nobody here is affected.
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Posted on 12/10/2021 18:42 by TinwheelerThanks for confirming my point.
Posted on 12/10/2021 18:47 by JillwithaJayPersonally, from some remarks I've read both here and on other social media platforms, the club would do well to support its own site staff. Allegedly, when people arrive at 10.30 am and phone to complain to HO that the site staff won't let them in, only to find that HO instruct the site staff to let them in.
Posted on 12/10/2021 18:32 byI dont know why CAMC rates are so high but its obviously not due the the wage rates of wardens. The sites are run on a "shoestring" so I can only think its rents or where the club actually owns the property a commercial decision to charge as much as the membership will stand or a combination .. I am just really a disinterested observer in normal circumstances but this last 18 months or so have found myself paying way more than I am used to. Just back from a trip to Spain and in most cases was paying equivalent to CL prices for whats known on here as "all singing ........" sites administered and maintained by paid staff who do not live in a third world country with prices to match. So paying proper wage rates should not have a material effect on pitch fees
Posted on 12/10/2021 19:02
How do you know that club sites are run on a shoestring? I see well maintained large sites with multiple sets of wardens in most cases, good facilities and up to date equipment?
But in any case it has often been pointed out that it is pointless comparing prices and/or economics with the UK and other countries. I might as well ask why Costa charges two/three times the prices for a (inferior in my view) coffee here? One just has to accept it, or not pay.
Posted on 12/10/2021 18:32 byI dont know why CAMC rates are so high but its obviously not due the the wage rates of wardens. The sites are run on a "shoestring" so I can only think its rents or where the club actually owns the property a commercial decision to charge as much as the membership will stand or a combination .. I am just really a disinterested observer in normal circumstances but this last 18 months or so have found myself paying way more than I am used to. Just back from a trip to Spain and in most cases was paying equivalent to CL prices for whats known on here as "all singing ........" sites administered and maintained by paid staff who do not live in a third world country with prices to match. So paying proper wage rates should not have a material effect on pitch fees
Posted on 12/10/2021 19:07
How much on sites in other countries is allowed to be carried out by "unqualified?" staff ,where in this country a "certificate of competence "is needed hence much is now carried out by outsourcing work to companies that do have the staff, at how much per annum?,and then of course the WTD has resulted in more site staff to cover the time required to operate the site which Is so much resulted in better working condition s for site staff
Posted on 12/10/2021 19:02 by CornersteadyHow do you know that club sites are run on a shoestring? I see well maintained large sites with multiple sets of wardens in most cases, good facilities and up to date equipment?
But in any case it has often been pointed out that it is pointless comparing prices and/or economics with the UK and other countries. I might as well ask why Costa charges two/three times the prices for a (inferior in my view) coffee here? One just has to accept it, or not pay.
Posted on 12/10/2021 20:12
It’s possible the Club might have a bit of thinking to do for the future. They have relied historically on recruiting Site Staff from the Membership, and site staff are often, but not exclusively, early retirees looking for a change of direction, and time spent working in nice places. They haven’t really had to offer premium wages, but that might just be changing a little bit now. The Club is like many other big organisations, it’s front of house workers, those who interact daily with the public can make or break member visits, and this should be reflected in rates of pay. Commitment works both ways.
Then there is HQ. Situated in the most expensive area to live and work, just how many staff are now in there, given that a great deal of staff are reputed to be working from home? Is East Grinstead (the building) paying its way, or would Members Fees be better spent on the Sites? Many other institutions, not least the BBC and Channel Four, have looked at alternative offices in lower priced areas of the country. There are some huge six figure salaries now in East Grinstead with a great deal to mull over. I am not exactly sure what the ratio of Site staff to HQ staff is within the Club, but I have absolutely no doubts that the wage/salary allocations to each will be vastly different. Even taking away the Director level salaries. Lots and lots of thinkingš¤
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Posted on 12/10/2021 19:07 by JVB66How much on sites in other countries is allowed to be carried out by "unqualified?" staff ,where in this country a "certificate of competence "is needed hence much is now carried out by outsourcing work to companies that do have the staff, at how much per annum?,and then of course the WTD has resulted in more site staff to cover the time required to operate the site which Is so much resulted in better working condition s for site staff
Posted on 12/10/2021 20:22 byMulti lingual staff dealing in maybe 4 languages seem pretty well qualified to me
In my travels I fail to recall ever feeling the site owners or staff were unqualified for what they do very much the opposite when on the rare occasions we have needed assistance.
Posted on 12/10/2021 20:31
More to do with a National mentality towards language learning. We Brits are very poor, we expect others to learn our language. Also, these over there sites are very frequently family operations, not a network like the club. Family run businesses often, even here in GB, can have very ‘different’ working and labour practices.
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