Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

peedee replied on 24/01/2021 14:55

Posted on 24/01/2021 14:20 by eurortraveller

CS , I can only make a prediction of what is likely to happen in the UK.  As the ratio of motorhomes to caravans increases, and as Aires and other stopovers gradually grow,  I think CLs are the sort of sites which will be hurt most. Grass fields in remote situations and without waste water emptying grids will probably be the sort of sites which will die fastest. 

Posted on 24/01/2021 14:55

Views or predictions are not allowed on CT, fact/proof is demanded. frown

peedee

replied on 24/01/2021 15:00

Posted on 24/01/2021 14:55 by peedee

Views or predictions are not allowed on CT, fact/proof is demanded. frown

peedee

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:00

Only requested for precise statements such as CMC are considering Aires PD. And only requested rather than demanded. Without such such a statement is not considered by many as having veracity. Opinions are generally accepted as such

peedee replied on 24/01/2021 15:04

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:04

Which will come first? unserviced Aires or Dump sites~?

Niether, the toursit routes like the NC500 will lead and only then will it be discovered there is the need for the above.

peedee

JVB66 replied on 24/01/2021 15:30

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:04 by peedee

Which will come first? unserviced Aires or Dump sites~?

Niether, the toursit routes like the NC500 will lead and only then will it be discovered there is the need for the above.

peedee

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:30

On busy oversubscribed tour routes as per the NC 500 ,there may be some who could see a need ,as the very vocal residents on that route have been pushing for more places for L/Vs to curtail? maybe the illegal as not tents , wild camping and blocking of passiing places

DavidKlyne replied on 24/01/2021 15:31

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:31

When this question was asked at the last AGM on 24th October 2020

I understand the Club has recognised the need for "UK type Aires"
How and when does the Club intend to progress this?

This was the official reply:-


" For many years we have been conducting member insight surveys to understand the differing needs of all our members and how we may address the needs of differing segments within the membership. At the beginning of this year we commenced an exploration as to whether this is something we could viably offer. Unfortunately, due to
the pandemic, this project is currently temporarily suspended, however it is planned to re-initiate in 2021. This remains a complex area as local authorities provide this service in Europe but there is no statutory system or obligation for authorities to cater for tourism in the U.K. and many local authorities do not have the available capital. In the U.K. our Certificated Location licensing system can be used for this and we are constantly looking to develop the number of CLs within our network. However, it is highly likely there would be modest charges for these as they are privately owned and operated. "

replied on 24/01/2021 15:43

Posted on 24/01/2021 15:43

Thankyou David. It seems as if, for the near future, use a CL and pay the price of a stay is the general thought of CMC.

cyberyacht replied on 24/01/2021 16:03

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:03

The only material difference between a basic CL and an Aire would be a more durable surface and a drive-over grey waste. Neither need be prohibitively more expensive. The big issue for motorhomes would be location, location, location. As observed further up thread they are so often in the back of beyond and lend themselves neither to a few days stopover nor a convenient 'en route' overnight halt.

replied on 24/01/2021 16:16

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:03 by cyberyacht

The only material difference between a basic CL and an Aire would be a more durable surface and a drive-over grey waste. Neither need be prohibitively more expensive. The big issue for motorhomes would be location, location, location. As observed further up thread they are so often in the back of beyond and lend themselves neither to a few days stopover nor a convenient 'en route' overnight halt.

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:16

No idea on grey waste generally but most motorhomes have coped on CLs that I have used and I only use CLs with a durable surface.

As for out of the way, none were out of my way. Depends where you wish to be. If it is a seaside frontage then good luck with that. 

JVB66 replied on 24/01/2021 17:48

Posted on 24/01/2021 17:48

By the Answer given at the AGM it seems the club are looking at what the OP was about ,and has been chewed over sincesurprised

Takethedogalong replied on 24/01/2021 18:03

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:03 by cyberyacht

The only material difference between a basic CL and an Aire would be a more durable surface and a drive-over grey waste. Neither need be prohibitively more expensive. The big issue for motorhomes would be location, location, location. As observed further up thread they are so often in the back of beyond and lend themselves neither to a few days stopover nor a convenient 'en route' overnight halt.

Posted on 24/01/2021 18:03

That’s the very reason both could survive. Not all who drive MHs want to stay close to a City or town, hence why we love CLs. But in Winter, we like to explore towns more, so would welcome more basic stopovers in more urban areas.
We have never struggled to find a CL for a convenient overnight stop on our tours, but then we don’t tour using motorways and dual carriageways.
As for the “NC 500” type routes, quite frankly they smack of a lack of imagination to me. We have never required anyone to put together a scenic tour for us, we are quite capable of doing it ourselves, taking in glorious countryside, scenic views, and arranging our own stops.All the super routes have done is clog up beautiful places with box tickers, nose to tail outfits and a degree of folks not really taking in the full depth of what they are experiencing. We prefer to fully explore and experience somewhere and it’s culture. 

Local Authorities are struggling to deliver basic services to local communities, let alone think about what extras they can provide at the moment. 

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