Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

JVB66 replied on 24/01/2021 18:35

Posted on 24/01/2021 16:03 by cyberyacht

The only material difference between a basic CL and an Aire would be a more durable surface and a drive-over grey waste. Neither need be prohibitively more expensive. The big issue for motorhomes would be location, location, location. As observed further up thread they are so often in the back of beyond and lend themselves neither to a few days stopover nor a convenient 'en route' overnight halt.

Posted on 24/01/2021 18:35

Do as we did several years ago ,get another caravan , tends to ,as we have found solves many of the problems that motor caravan owners seem to have with locations and dumpingwink

DavidKlyne replied on 24/01/2021 20:09

Posted on 24/01/2021 20:09

Local Authorities are struggling to deliver basic services to local communities, let alone think about what extras they can provide at the moment.

Unfortunately if we all followed that mantra we would achieve nothing. Local Authorities tend to compartmentalise their spending budgets so parking and tourism will have their own budgets. So there is probably room for manoeuvre within that budget. The difficulty is proving the need and judging the likely time for getting a return on any investment. It might be totally inappropriate for every LA in the country to start any sort of investment but there will be those in well known tourist areas where such an investment could turn a profit over a relatively short period of time. 

Could CL's be the answer? I somehow doubt it. As CY points out most CL's are remote however brilliant their facilities. Where the Club might provide useful intervention is to encourage the likes of Stately Homes and other tourist attractions to consider the idea of overnight parking, either basic or more sophisticated. Whether that is done under the banner of being a CL or just general encouragement we would have to wait and see. I think what some have to accept is that the direction of travel is towards a more informal style of overnight stays. Whether people like that idea or not I think most would agree that if that is the way forward it would be better done in a controlled way?

David

replied on 24/01/2021 20:30

Posted on 24/01/2021 20:30

Unfortunately if we all followed that mantra we would achieve nothing. Local Authorities tend to compartmentalise their spending budgets so parking and tourism will have their own budgets. So there is probably room for manoeuvre within that budget. 

Yes LAs do compartmentalise their spending. They also reduce resources in some areas and move funds to another. Denbighshire are looking to increase rates by 4.5% and there will be others. Where do you think the spending will be aimed? Do you think that they will want to provide Aires when the existing tour facilities are struggling?

JVB66 replied on 24/01/2021 21:00

Posted on 24/01/2021 20:09 by DavidKlyne

Local Authorities are struggling to deliver basic services to local communities, let alone think about what extras they can provide at the moment.

Unfortunately if we all followed that mantra we would achieve nothing. Local Authorities tend to compartmentalise their spending budgets so parking and tourism will have their own budgets. So there is probably room for manoeuvre within that budget. The difficulty is proving the need and judging the likely time for getting a return on any investment. It might be totally inappropriate for every LA in the country to start any sort of investment but there will be those in well known tourist areas where such an investment could turn a profit over a relatively short period of time. 

Could CL's be the answer? I somehow doubt it. As CY points out most CL's are remote however brilliant their facilities. Where the Club might provide useful intervention is to encourage the likes of Stately Homes and other tourist attractions to consider the idea of overnight parking, either basic or more sophisticated. Whether that is done under the banner of being a CL or just general encouragement we would have to wait and see. I think what some have to accept is that the direction of travel is towards a more informal style of overnight stays. Whether people like that idea or not I think most would agree that if that is the way forward it would be better done in a controlled way?

David

Posted on 24/01/2021 21:00

Most LAs are wringing their hands already that cuts to their funding has already made them trim down their spending, our LA has already said that covid has meant they have spent above what was budgeted for last year ,and it is not going to get any better in the future so more services are being"looked at"to see if savings can be made ,

Takethedogalong replied on 24/01/2021 21:04

Posted on 24/01/2021 21:04

I was thinking that most LA’s will be struggling to provide anything beyond basic statutory services to local residents after the pandemic. Most have taken a huge hit on parking income, and I well know that the none statutory obligations are always the first to be considered for budget cuts and outsourcing.
Where there is a huge reliance upon tourism income, it might be a feasibility study does suggest that outlay on providing special parking might be repaid over a short term, and that could push the odd LA into doing something, but I suspect it’s more likely to be an outsourced project, or purely private investor that delivers.
MH users will need to be seen as a visiting income bonus, rather than a problem for residents and LA’s more though. Sadly the latter tends to prevail more at the moment. Certainly in most areas.

peedee replied on 25/01/2021 07:00

Posted on 25/01/2021 07:00

Only requested for precise statements such as CMC are considering Aires PD. And only requested rather than demanded.

Feels more like a demand to me ET. I don't mind requests for genuine reasons but not those  just to be awkward.

peedee

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 09:18

Posted on 24/01/2021 21:04 by Takethedogalong

I was thinking that most LA’s will be struggling to provide anything beyond basic statutory services to local residents after the pandemic. Most have taken a huge hit on parking income, and I well know that the none statutory obligations are always the first to be considered for budget cuts and outsourcing.
Where there is a huge reliance upon tourism income, it might be a feasibility study does suggest that outlay on providing special parking might be repaid over a short term, and that could push the odd LA into doing something, but I suspect it’s more likely to be an outsourced project, or purely private investor that delivers.
MH users will need to be seen as a visiting income bonus, rather than a problem for residents and LA’s more though. Sadly the latter tends to prevail more at the moment. Certainly in most areas.

Posted on 25/01/2021 09:18

I think you are right In that LAs are so strapped for money for anything  other than the basic services that by law they have to provide ,

It would have to come from an outside source  ,on a lookout to make money out of what ever they do ,nearly all the facilities in our LA are run by outsourced companys,and they are now saying they cannot see how they can keep going ,without the LA dipping into their funds? to support them, it could also be as happens, a bit of "if you do not give us more support we are pulling out*

Like  for example ,the car factoriesundecided

DavidKlyne replied on 25/01/2021 09:21

Posted on 25/01/2021 09:21

Maybe one answer to the funding issue is to follow this example If half a dozen possible sites could be identified and if the LA's were at least prepared to listen it could be the way forward. I would be happy to make a small donation as I did for the scheme in the link although it's unlikely I would ever make use of those facilities. Perhaps the role of the Clubs could be to act as a  catalyst in persuading Government or Tourist Boards to set up a small fund whereby LA's could apply for grants towards the cost. Once the initial cost has been met the LA would benefit from an additional income stream. One has to speculate to accumulate as the old saying goeswink

David

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 09:32

Posted on 25/01/2021 09:21 by DavidKlyne

Maybe one answer to the funding issue is to follow this example If half a dozen possible sites could be identified and if the LA's were at least prepared to listen it could be the way forward. I would be happy to make a small donation as I did for the scheme in the link although it's unlikely I would ever make use of those facilities. Perhaps the role of the Clubs could be to act as a  catalyst in persuading Government or Tourist Boards to set up a small fund whereby LA's could apply for grants towards the cost. Once the initial cost has been met the LA would benefit from an additional income stream. One has to speculate to accumulate as the old saying goeswink

David

Posted on 25/01/2021 09:32

Why would anyone "help?" to set up a system/organisation that could directly affect their own income streamsundecided

peedee replied on 25/01/2021 09:36

Posted on 25/01/2021 09:36

Perhaps the role of the Clubs could be to act as a catalyst in persuading Government or Tourist Boards to set up a small fund whereby LA's could apply for grants towards the cost. Once the initial cost has been met the LA would benefit from an additional income stream. One has to speculate to accumulate as the old saying goes

Grants are already available in the Highlands, I think from the Scotish Government. Money is also being injected into some towns in England for local improvement schemes..

peedee

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