Loosing More CLs, why?

nelliethehooker replied on 19/01/2017 20:23

Posted on 19/01/2017 20:23

Prior to the new year there were 3 months when the number of new CL's exceeded the number that had closed, however the reverse is the case in the January magazine with 4 new sites but the closure of 12. Could this be because of the lack of support from HO for CL's that is now becoming apparent from the way that the new web site is treating them?

 

Justus2 replied on 29/01/2017 10:31

Posted on 29/01/2017 10:31

We have stayed on one of this months now closed CLs a couple of times.. Its near Berwick on Tweed, a pub site. A little research on Trip advisor and ukcampsite reveals that the previous owner has sold / left the pub. The CL is therefore no more.. It's not even clear if there is a new landlord yet....

Who knows how many other closures are due to change of ownership, retirement etc..

Spriddler replied on 29/01/2017 11:45

Posted on 29/01/2017 11:45

According to the Institute of Economic Affairs there are still 30 pubs closing every week in the U.K (59 a week throughout Recession hit 2009), and there were 58,200 public houses in 2006 but just 44,000 last year.

Some of them may have been CLs. 

Spriddler replied on 29/01/2017 11:57

Posted on 29/01/2017 11:57

Incidentally, more than 1,000 dairy farms have closed since June 2013, according to the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board (AHDB) report 2016.

North Yorkshire (your patch Justus2) lost 89 farms, the highest total of any county, while Berkshire saw the greatest rate of decline with a third of farms closing.

Richard12 replied on 29/01/2017 12:44

Posted on 29/01/2017 12:44

We are great users of CLs, have been since 1978, in fact I have just booked some for this year. 

But the problem of why CLs are closing can I think only be answered by two people, the Caravan Club and the CL owner.

Years ago when a CL closed the CC entered next to the CL name an abbreviation why the CL was closing, I would like to see that reinstated.

Just a thought

Lessey replied on 29/01/2017 13:41

Posted on 22/01/2017 17:05 by ChefJim

Having read threads on other forums it appears that the younger caravanners with children want sites with full amenities to keep the kids occupied, not basic sites where they might have to entertain their own kids or god forbid actually taking them out exploring the countryside or even rock pooling. One I read this morning actually said it didn't seem right for their 2 year old to be out in the cold while they were inside a nice warm van.

Posted on 29/01/2017 13:41

We as a 'young' family love cl sites yes we like a bit of a park but it isn't essential. Actually one of our favourites sites is a cc listed with the other club! By young I mean both us and the kids I'm 28 my wife 30 and my kind do 6,5,2 and 10 1/2 months. Oh and add in a 17 week old puppy who's being trained to be a pat dog. 

The above comment is the outside impression people have of the club and why a lot of our friends won't join it! At the end of the day if you can get more facilities for the same price in a similar location most people would.

i personally like a shower etc as when the kids are trying to sleep at night it is easier and quieter to shower else (particularly if I decide to sing while I'm in it!) but also it can (believe I or not get a bit cramped trying to get 4 kids washed etc at the same time as tea prepared or everything put away. Add in the one is potentially autistic and we can have have issues at shower time then more space helps. Also my wife has a tracheotomy fitted and the shower facilities make it easier for her to shower as a lot of the time she needs disabled facilities as if she gets water in her tube it is lights out! And the risk for this in a confined space like the caravan is to great. But on occasion we do have to come up with imaginative ways to cope!

sorry for the rant but occasionally a comment is made and the venting just happens!

Takethedogalong replied on 20/03/2017 11:01

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:01

Read the latest magazine with an air of despair! Fifteen CLs lost to network, only four new on board, and at least a couple rather expensive.

JohnDH replied on 20/03/2017 11:33

Posted on 20/01/2017 10:02 by Spriddler

As a regular listener to 'Farming today' on Radio 4 for very many years I have noticed recently that some farmers and landowners seem to be reasonably comfortable with the current grants, subsidies and payments they receive from the E.U.

Maybe they feel they no longer need the toil and inconvenience of running a CL for such a minimal income. That may change after Brexit of course.

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:33

In 2010 it was reported that 25% of farming households were at or below the poverty line. Nothing that I see, has changed in the last 5 or 6 years or so. Brexit might make things better. It cant be worse.

JCB4X4 replied on 20/03/2017 11:47

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:33 by JohnDH

In 2010 it was reported that 25% of farming households were at or below the poverty line. Nothing that I see, has changed in the last 5 or 6 years or so. Brexit might make things better. It cant be worse.

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:47

... "it can't be worse."

I'm certainly not prepared to put my money om that, at this stage!!!

MichaelT replied on 20/03/2017 11:49

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:33 by JohnDH

In 2010 it was reported that 25% of farming households were at or below the poverty line. Nothing that I see, has changed in the last 5 or 6 years or so. Brexit might make things better. It cant be worse.

Posted on 20/03/2017 11:49

Yes I am sure you are right, the cost of fuel must be really hitting hard filling up the Disco!  Never seen a poor farmer yet but once we leave EU and those subsidies go for keeping a field empty who knows.

triky auto replied on 20/03/2017 12:51

Posted on 20/03/2017 12:51

undecided Hmmm, a lot of farms in the East Kent area ,have grubbed out some unproductive fruit  trees ,as the subsidy seems to be on 'Maize' for conversion into Bio-Fuels !! Getting ready for Diesel ban ??  ?? surprised.

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