Increase size of CLs?

Within 40mins towing time from me is Little Baddow fruit farm , they have 2 CL's , hookup , waste disposal and water .

Maybe this an option ?

presumeably, they are a CL, or hold an exemption as would a CL?

in france there is an organisation called France Passion that allows a small number of vans to overnight on a farm or smallholding, vinyard etc....

obviously, these provide seclusion and are free to use, although customers might want to purchase wares from the site holder.....an annual membership fee is required.

im not sure what 'their' planning regs are (if any...?) and guess that to replicate this sort of impromptu 'service' would still require an exemption certificate as a normal CL.....?

im not sure that the FP sites (necessarily) require any provision for fresh water or for waste disposal and may be limited to MH in this respect.

this may be a (very) low cost option for a potential CL owner?

edit: just looked it up, its a CC CL.

Within 40mins towing time from me is Little Baddow fruit farm , they have 2 CL's , hookup , waste disposal and water 

Within 40mins towing time from me is Little Baddow fruit farm , they have 2 CL's , hookup , waste disposal and water .

Maybe this an option ?

See my earlier comments... it shouldn't be an option:

I do think the club are stretching the rules when licencing one CL next to another with just a hedge between them. It's  likely to be pushing the boundaries of the Clubs licence and if they get caught it could jeopardise all CL owners for the sake of av few that really should pursue a commercial site permission if they want more units... 

Vulcan, I don't doubt that you and other members are happy with things as they are. I was simply pointing out why one local CL owner was not. The declining number of CLs shows that there are other owners who feel the same way.

There are many reasons CLs close, one reason may be as you suggest in your posts. You are assuming that many CLs are closing as unviable, but it could be because of retirement, change of ownership, overbooking or change of use for the land etc. Until the CC go back to giving the reason for closures as they used to, sadly none of us will know.

 

I do think the club are stretching the rules when licencing one CL next to another with just a hedge between them. It's  likely to be pushing the boundaries of the Clubs licence and if they get caught it could jeopardise all CL owners for the sake of av few that really should pursue a commercial site permission if they want more units... 

I agree wholeheartedly, the point of using a CL is knowing that you are going to be one of a maximum of five and not next to another site. I have questioned the legality of this but it appears that in a minority of cases on commercial properties, farms/smallholdings etc. if they have a different holding number for different parts of the property, this is classed as a seperate property as far as Natural England are concerned, certainly not in the spirit of CL's as far as i am concerned.

I am sure that there's many reasons why CL's close but I bet a major reason is they forgot the basic maths.  With a 5van limit (and long may that last)  there is an absolute maximum level of income achievable. 

With no or minimum capital investment then £10 a night should turn a reasonable profit. Start putting in electric then hard standings toilets andshowers and a return on investment might never be made 

KISS Keep It Simple Sunshine.You can only sell 5 units per night 

No, you misunderstand me, Graham. It was either change or shut up shop. The present 5 van limit wasn't one of the options for her. 

No, I do understand you, and that the 5 van limit wasn't an option in that case.

However, as she did have the option of converting to a licensed site it shows that existing legislation caters for such circumstances and there is no need to increase the CL limit.

Graham

Within 40mins towing time from me is Little Baddow fruit farm , they have 2 CL's , hookup , waste disposal and water 

Within 40mins towing time from me is Little Baddow fruit farm , they have 2 CL's , hookup , waste disposal and water .

Maybe this an option ?

See my earlier comments... it shouldn't be an option:

I do think the club are stretching the rules when licencing one CL next to another with just a hedge between them. It's  likely to be pushing the boundaries of the Clubs licence and if they get caught it could jeopardise all CL owners for the sake of av few that really should pursue a commercial site permission if they want more units... 

Are there actually many such "dual" sites? I know of only one more, near Malvern where a C&CC CS is adjacent to a MCC CL.

Is there any indication from Natural England that they frown on the practice? Even if there were then I dare say they would deal with the few individual cases, rather than be heavy handed, as they simply don't have the resources for protracted battles.

Graham

 The declining number of CLs .....

Is that the case?

I hope not, I only joined for the CLs.

Are the CCC's CS's (equivalent of CLs) 10 vans?  

We have been to a fair few CLs and CS's with more than 5 vans on - but then many dont even ask to see a membership card anyway

We use c.l. sites most of the time and have found some superb ones but on one or two occasions have not returned to these as the facilities were apalling!! I wonder how often sites are inspected!!