CL Pricing - just a conspiracy theory

BirchHillFarmCL replied on 12/03/2019 10:44

Posted on 12/03/2019 10:44

There have been numerous comments on this forum suggesting that the CAMC is encouraging CLs to increase their prices.  In our 16 years' experience as CL Owners, we have never been given pricing guidance by the Club.

The reality is that the Club has relatively little contact with CLs:

  • The CL Department at CAMC Head Office has very few staff.  It issues a newsletter to CLs a couple of times each year - this does not include pricing guidance, but typically includes reminders to submit electricity safety certificates, insurance details and occupancy figures.
  • Every two years, we are sent an extract of our previous entry in the Sites Directory and are asked to confirm or update those details.  This does not contain any pricing guidance either.
  • We have an annual inspection by an unpaid volunteer Club member who is appointed as our 'CL Adviser'.  The reality is that this is an unannounced 'surprise visit' - in recent years, this has been on a Sunday morning whilst we have been away at church.  Rather than getting any meaningful 'advice' from our from CL Adviser, we tend to have a card in the letterbox to say that he has been and gone.
  • CL Owners who happen to be a Club members (not always the case), receive the annual Sites Directory and Handbook, plus the monthly Club magazine - just like other Club members.

That's all the contact we get from the Club in the course of a year, unless we win a prize, or someone puts in a complaint.

That then begs the question of 'How do CL Owners set their prices?'. 

  • In our case, we learned a hard lesson a couple of years ago - we had been voted 'Best Small Site' in the UK by Practical Caravan Magazine readers for the second year running.  We were swamped with bookings and having to turn lots of people away, so we decided to increase our all-in pitch fee by £2.  The following year, bookings plumetted, but we were nevertheless voted 'Best Small Site' for a third year.
  • This tells us that no matter how good our CL is, the pitch-fee is critical to CL guests.  CAMC Members who pay £40K - £50K for a caravan and suitable towcar will choose to go elsewhere for the sake of £2.  This is human nature - a similar mentality to driving to the next petrol station to save a penny per litre on fuel.
  • This is somewhat frustrating, when we see a commercial site 2 miles from us, alongside an 'A' Road, with tightly-packed vans, which charges double our pitch-fee, whereas we offer peace and tranquility, views across 9 counties and just 5 vans spread over 2 acres - all for for only £14 per night, including EHU (and no charge to use our Wi-Fi).
  • In effect, by staying as a CL, our prices are constrained by the market forces, i.e. the prices of other CLs.  CL Owners can view prices of other CLs on the CAMC website or Sites Directory, and then make up their own minds regarding pitch fees.

If we want to make more money from our land, I am firmly of the opinion that we would need to leave the CL network.  We choose to remain because of the nice guests we get coming back year after year.   Club members are 'easy company' - they tend to know what to expect from a CL and are usually grateful for what they find.

BTW - we are caravanners ourselves and use both CLs and Club sites.

Ian Kelly

01691 622951
Holiday@BirchHill.co.uk

Birch Hill, The Cross, Ellesmere, Shropshire, SY12 0LP
www.BirchHill.co.uk
CL Number 1280 in the 2019/20 CAMC Sites Directory

Birch Hill Farm – relax at our award-winning hideaway in the beautiful lake-lands of Shropshire - exclusively for members of the Caravan and Motorhome Club

peedee replied on 18/03/2019 13:41

Posted on 18/03/2019 13:41

Good post TTDA and that about increased consumption oh so very true.

You must have had a fairly unique van if in 1984 to have dual fuel space heating. I think generally it wasn't until the mid 90s that it became more widely available. My top of the range 1992 Eldis only had gas heating and it wasn't until I changed to a motorhome in 2001 that I had electric heating and an electric hot plate, the latter hardly got used, too slow to cook.

My current van has 2Kw electric heating but no microwave and no hot plate. The only new electric gadget I have introduced over the years is a 70w slow cooker, in fact in terms of consumption,  I reckon I have cut down over the years changing to 12v as much as possible. I am probably an exception but I like to be free to use any type of site and not place a relience on EHU.

peedee

Takethedogalong replied on 18/03/2019 14:05

Posted on 18/03/2019 14:05

The heating wasn’t the only exceptional thing PD, it’s still in fantastic condition, and the only damp, a tiny spot on inside adjacent to a bit of external trim is down to us not noticing a trim screw had worked loose! Built to last, built to be comfortable. Owes us nothing. We paid £2000 for it in 1996. We bought a second version, slightly longer. Did this up and made a profit after six years use. We kept that one down in Cornwall. 😀We truly caravan on the cheap!

Tinwheeler replied on 18/03/2019 14:09

Posted on 18/03/2019 14:09

People think Alde is a relatively new invention but it’s been around for decades. 🙂

Takethedogalong replied on 18/03/2019 18:31

Posted on 18/03/2019 18:31

Yep, our 1984 big van had Alde. Not as high tech as nowadays, but it did it’s job very well.  Had finned radiator panels all the way around the van, even in the bathroom. Toasty seats, toasty bathroom.

karlpeg replied on 12/06/2019 23:00

Posted on 12/06/2019 23:00

We enjoy CL sites throughout the year and very much appreciate the low pitch fees. We sometime wonder how the site owners make a living. We pay plus/minus £15 a night but very little either way including EHU. We have been on sites where a bit of rain was forecast and the punters who had booked 10 nights, left after a couple of days leaving the site owners out of pocket. We’ve been down to North Wales and witness CL owners spending a lot of time having to separate all the recycling up due to strict local laws. All because the campers couldn’t be bothered to stick their rubbish in the correct bins. The CL owners do a lot for a bit of extra earning and there is no wonder why they are dropping out on mass and that is both clubs. Cherish your CL’s because a lot of us can’t afford club sites for a week or even a weekend away. They need to be respected and take into consideration they are not an organisation that has a paid member of staff to take your call at all hours or an online inquiry waiting for you to tap a conversation into your keyboard. Generally they are just like you and I, who get a bit miffed getting a call at times when you or I would not even entertain picking the phone up. CL sites are a big reason people join the club but when they are gone, then we wont be away too often.

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