CL Pricing - just a conspiracy theory

BirchHillFarmCL replied on 12/03/2019 10:44

Posted on 12/03/2019 10:44

There have been numerous comments on this forum suggesting that the CAMC is encouraging CLs to increase their prices.  In our 16 years' experience as CL Owners, we have never been given pricing guidance by the Club.

The reality is that the Club has relatively little contact with CLs:

  • The CL Department at CAMC Head Office has very few staff.  It issues a newsletter to CLs a couple of times each year - this does not include pricing guidance, but typically includes reminders to submit electricity safety certificates, insurance details and occupancy figures.
  • Every two years, we are sent an extract of our previous entry in the Sites Directory and are asked to confirm or update those details.  This does not contain any pricing guidance either.
  • We have an annual inspection by an unpaid volunteer Club member who is appointed as our 'CL Adviser'.  The reality is that this is an unannounced 'surprise visit' - in recent years, this has been on a Sunday morning whilst we have been away at church.  Rather than getting any meaningful 'advice' from our from CL Adviser, we tend to have a card in the letterbox to say that he has been and gone.
  • CL Owners who happen to be a Club members (not always the case), receive the annual Sites Directory and Handbook, plus the monthly Club magazine - just like other Club members.

That's all the contact we get from the Club in the course of a year, unless we win a prize, or someone puts in a complaint.

That then begs the question of 'How do CL Owners set their prices?'. 

  • In our case, we learned a hard lesson a couple of years ago - we had been voted 'Best Small Site' in the UK by Practical Caravan Magazine readers for the second year running.  We were swamped with bookings and having to turn lots of people away, so we decided to increase our all-in pitch fee by £2.  The following year, bookings plumetted, but we were nevertheless voted 'Best Small Site' for a third year.
  • This tells us that no matter how good our CL is, the pitch-fee is critical to CL guests.  CAMC Members who pay £40K - £50K for a caravan and suitable towcar will choose to go elsewhere for the sake of £2.  This is human nature - a similar mentality to driving to the next petrol station to save a penny per litre on fuel.
  • This is somewhat frustrating, when we see a commercial site 2 miles from us, alongside an 'A' Road, with tightly-packed vans, which charges double our pitch-fee, whereas we offer peace and tranquility, views across 9 counties and just 5 vans spread over 2 acres - all for for only £14 per night, including EHU (and no charge to use our Wi-Fi).
  • In effect, by staying as a CL, our prices are constrained by the market forces, i.e. the prices of other CLs.  CL Owners can view prices of other CLs on the CAMC website or Sites Directory, and then make up their own minds regarding pitch fees.

If we want to make more money from our land, I am firmly of the opinion that we would need to leave the CL network.  We choose to remain because of the nice guests we get coming back year after year.   Club members are 'easy company' - they tend to know what to expect from a CL and are usually grateful for what they find.

BTW - we are caravanners ourselves and use both CLs and Club sites.

Ian Kelly

01691 622951
Holiday@BirchHill.co.uk

Birch Hill, The Cross, Ellesmere, Shropshire, SY12 0LP
www.BirchHill.co.uk
CL Number 1280 in the 2019/20 CAMC Sites Directory

Birch Hill Farm – relax at our award-winning hideaway in the beautiful lake-lands of Shropshire - exclusively for members of the Caravan and Motorhome Club

Freddy55 replied on 15/03/2019 14:26

Posted on 15/03/2019 10:45 by Takethedogalong

Good luck Mummypig. Care to tell us more? You have some big users of CLs hanging on this thread, and free advertising is always good. Location would be useful if nothing else at this stage.๐Ÿ˜

Posted on 15/03/2019 14:26

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mummypig1 replied on 15/03/2019 23:09

Posted on 15/03/2019 23:09

Thanks for asking about our new CL it will be called Cherry Cottage. 

Currently the CL is a flat grass pony paddock, with views of the surrounding farm land. Ground work for septic tank etc and electric being installed in next few weeks hopefully!  We are looking to provide 2 hard standing pitches and 4 grass (3 in rotation).  We know the 5 van rule! 

We are putting EHU in despite having to have a new electric supply installed. Whilst we are happy to survive on a solar panel we know many of our guests won’t be.   We will have a toilet, laundry room, info hut, bin store, usual waste, water etc.  

We are in Hardy’s beautiful Dorset almost midway between Sherborne and Dorchester, with easy access. We are very lucky with a regular bus service passing the gate between both towns and linking with the rail network. There are lots of great walks including a footpath to the village pub which serves good food and is dog friendly.  

Interested to know what you think. 

Tinwheeler replied on 15/03/2019 23:19

Posted on 15/03/2019 23:19

Wow, sounds good and just the right distance for us for a short break. I hope the HS pitches will be bookable. Look forward to seeing the site up and running.

mummypig1 replied on 15/03/2019 23:29

Posted on 15/03/2019 23:29

I forgot to say we will look to have on line booking as well, once website built and WiFi on the CL. 

Takethedogalong replied on 16/03/2019 00:04

Posted on 15/03/2019 23:09 by mummypig1

Thanks for asking about our new CL it will be called Cherry Cottage. 

Currently the CL is a flat grass pony paddock, with views of the surrounding farm land. Ground work for septic tank etc and electric being installed in next few weeks hopefully!  We are looking to provide 2 hard standing pitches and 4 grass (3 in rotation).  We know the 5 van rule! 

We are putting EHU in despite having to have a new electric supply installed. Whilst we are happy to survive on a solar panel we know many of our guests wonโ€™t be.   We will have a toilet, laundry room, info hut, bin store, usual waste, water etc.  

We are in Hardyโ€™s beautiful Dorset almost midway between Sherborne and Dorchester, with easy access. We are very lucky with a regular bus service passing the gate between both towns and linking with the rail network. There are lots of great walks including a footpath to the village pub which serves good food and is dog friendly.  

Interested to know what you think. 

Posted on 16/03/2019 00:04

It is indeed sounding very nice. A great location as well, long time since we have done Dorset, could very well be one for us. Dare one ask about well behaved dogs, and well trained owners?

Certainly wishing you all the very best. Don’t forget to announce your opening once everything is in place. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ˜

mummypig1 replied on 16/03/2019 08:55

Posted on 16/03/2019 08:55

Tinwheeler and TATD thank you for your positive comments, it’s great to know we are on the right track. I will keep you posted as we progress towards opening and are in a position to take bookings and will look forward to hopefully welcoming you to our CL in the future. 

Dogs on leads are going to be welcome to bring their well behaved owners and little people with them.  Too often we find a lovely CL only to discover we can’t visit because either no dogs or adults only.  In my opinion the market for CL customers is already restricted by members only why restrict it further if we have no reason to. 

To put the thread back on track regarding pricing, we are yet to confirm the exact price, but it will be based on our cost to operate, supply and demand, local competition and ‘ceiling price’ for a CL etc. 

Takethedogalong replied on 16/03/2019 11:38

Posted on 16/03/2019 11:38

Yep, everyone welcome CLs are always nice. All the best, will keep an eye out on forum for your opening date.๐Ÿ˜

wildemere replied on 16/03/2019 14:30

Posted on 16/03/2019 14:30

mummypig1

We have had our CL for well over 20 years, and made improvements over the years, the best received and most used was water to each pitch. Also this was the simplest to do. with very little cost to us. Hope this is of help.  

moulesy replied on 16/03/2019 14:47

Posted on 15/03/2019 23:09 by mummypig1

Thanks for asking about our new CL it will be called Cherry Cottage. 

Currently the CL is a flat grass pony paddock, with views of the surrounding farm land. Ground work for septic tank etc and electric being installed in next few weeks hopefully!  We are looking to provide 2 hard standing pitches and 4 grass (3 in rotation).  We know the 5 van rule! 

We are putting EHU in despite having to have a new electric supply installed. Whilst we are happy to survive on a solar panel we know many of our guests wonโ€™t be.   We will have a toilet, laundry room, info hut, bin store, usual waste, water etc.  

We are in Hardyโ€™s beautiful Dorset almost midway between Sherborne and Dorchester, with easy access. We are very lucky with a regular bus service passing the gate between both towns and linking with the rail network. There are lots of great walks including a footpath to the village pub which serves good food and is dog friendly.  

Interested to know what you think. 

Posted on 16/03/2019 14:47

That sounds absolutely perfect for us; ideal for either a short break or longer stay. Will really look forward to reading further developments. Good luck to you. smile

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