Cancelling a CL booking at short notice.

NicolaW replied on 06/09/2017 21:14

Posted on 06/09/2017 21:14

I recently posted in the last minute availability section about a member cancelling a 25 night booking on my CL two days before he was due to arrive and there has also been a tremendous amount of discussion around this subject in the CL owners group.

With this in mind I’d be interested in what Members who regularly visit CL’s think is the right practice - if and when they have to cancel a confirmed CL booking at short notice - or have to depart early during their stay.  

One award-winning CL has the following policy on their website...

"If a pre-booked stay with us is cancelled at short notice, ( "within 7 days of the pre-booked arrival date" ) or terminated prematurely during your stay without sufficient warning,   before the arranged departure date,  ("for whatever reason" and especially the weather)  we reserve the right to charge the full rate for each night of un-attendance for the pitch, for which we have made a loyal commitment in your name. Also, no refund for the period of un-attendance will be given.   

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE US PLENTY OF NOTICE  IF YOU CAN-NOT, OR DO NOT INTEND TO COME ON YOUR PRE-BOOKED DAY OF ARRIVAL.             

We do not tolerate "No Shows" as they waste our time, and most importantly they deprive our loyal clients from having time with us.     

We make a record of "No Shows" for future booking attempts, who may be asked to pay the full amount at the time of booking, or even declined."

Do CT members feel this is an extreme policy or is it a fair one? 

Is there any established Club policy surrounding last minute cancellations? If not, do you think there should be one developed by the Club?

All comments and view points most welcome! smile

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Bakers2 replied on 08/09/2017 19:31

Posted on 08/09/2017 17:56 by CholseyGrange

As a CL owner, it's extremely encouraging to read the majority of the responses on this thread.  

I'm delighted that most Members seem to appreciate the difficulties CL owners have when faced with a 'no show' or 'late cancellation' and that most members taking part in this discussion would offer to compensate an owner if they had to cancel.

I have some facts to share that may enlighten the debate.

Firstly though, I need to point out that the policy posted by the OP does NOT apply to the OP's own CL near Lincoln.  If you look it up,  the policy (in italics) comes from a popular & award-winning CL in Cumbria, which no doubt can afford to be fairly 'robust' in their approach.  It might not suit many members, but it seems to suit them..    The OP goes on to specifically asks "Do CT members feel this is an extreme policy or is it a fair one?"

Onto some useful information to assist this discussion.

The Club's Policy for cancellations (to my mind) doesn't make it clear that it specifically relates to Club Sites.  In my view the policy could be clarified so that Members don't assume the same rules apply to CL's.


A growing number of CL’s are investing in Booking Systems.  This helps Members looking to see availability and then book without waiting for a busy CL owner (who may be getting his harvest in) to reply.


However, even with a confirmed booking in writing and automated reminders, it still seems that some members forget they have booked, turn up at the wrong CL or simply change their plans at the last minute on a whim.


The effect of a late cancellation on a CL is threefold;

 

  1. They likely lose 20% of their expected income - unless they can re-sell the pitch very quickly
  2. They are involved in additional admin / marketing effort to un-book and then re-sell the pitch
  3. They may have denied another Member the opportunity to book that CL.

In August the CL Owners Group conducted some research on this topic.  90 CL owners took part..  

 

  • 65 CL’s reported that they had had cancellations or early departures where no compensation was forthcoming.  Of those 65, 44 CL’s reported in detail on 71 different booking cancellations.  Those  44 CL’s lost a total of £5,584 and in total 464 pitch nights.
  • 43% of the 71 cancellations were attributed to Illness or bereavement, 13% due to mechanical breakdown, but 41% were because the Member had forgotten about the booking (see OP), or left early because they didn’t like the Pitch.  
  • In most cases the Owners were left entirely out of pocket as the majority (67%) had not taken a deposit.  Some attempted to recover some ££ through politely asking the member concerned, but had nil response.  

The Club has been asked (July 2017) to assist CL’s to address this issue by recording the names of no shows (as it does with Club Sites), but citing both ‘resources’ and ‘data protection issues’ the Club has declined.

The Owners Group will be seeking assistance from the Club to address this issue in other ways, perhaps by drawing up some common-sense guidelines that we (Member and CL Owners) can all agree on that reflect much of what has been said in this thread.


The group will continue to monitor this issue. We are encouraged that Members realise we are small businesses, trying to cover our costs whilst delivering a valuable network across the UK where members can stay.

Posted on 08/09/2017 19:31

I know data protection has be sited, along with resources at HQ BUT is it possible to record membership numbers of no shows? That way there's no names no pack drill. Membership numbers continue from year to year and I assume aren't reallocated. Thus details of membership numbers can be circulate between CL's but no personal information is disclosed.

After all you need to be a member to use the CL so not an extra question that can be considered intrusive.

Just an idea

I hadn't occurred to me that club rules on deposits and cancellations would apply to CL's but maybe it should be made clearer that they aren't one and the same.

Financial reward for no shows without a deposit system will never be recovered.

Wanted to write more but guests have arrived 😉. Lots of food for thought on tjis thread

nelliethehooker replied on 08/09/2017 21:05

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:05

Although the majority on here, CT, are in agreement with paying a deposit &/or fees for non-show or early leaving, I don't believe that those that correspond on CT are really representative of CC membership, but only of those that are interested enough in the Club to be bothered to log in. Make of that what you may.

onepjg replied on 08/09/2017 21:20

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:05 by nelliethehooker

Although the majority on here, CT, are in agreement with paying a deposit &/or fees for non-show or early leaving, I don't believe that those that correspond on CT are really representative of CC membership, but only of those that are interested enough in the Club to be bothered to log in. Make of that what you may.

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:20

+1

Takethedogalong replied on 08/09/2017 21:34

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:34

An interesting thread in many ways, and good for the CL owners to share insights into problems they are having. However, it is only a tiny percentage of the total number of CLs. 

I would suspect that many Club Members are trying out CLs as a cheaper alternative to Club Sites, possibly not realising that the booking/cancellation/ payment policies are totally different. I also suspect that there will be seriously popular CLs, probably those that have invested heavily in extra facilities and needing to hit income targets to cover the expenditure and overheads. Combine these two, and there is a serious need for quite robust booking /payments policy, hence it would be a good idea for them to have something like the procedure outlined in the OP.

But the vast majority of CL owners appear to us to be more philosophical about their customer base, and are satisfied to keep things simple all round, perhaps keeping a "black book" for their own purposes. We are currently on a tour of a very popular holiday area, but are booking CLs "on the hoof" and having no problem finding lovely sites to suit (loos, showers, HS, free wifi) all with just a phone call, and either pay as we arrive, or in the current case, when we decide to leave.

Oneputt replied on 08/09/2017 21:47

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:47

I have never understood why non members can't stay on CL's after all non members can stay on club sites.  My daughter an family paid an additional £12/night at Rookesbury Park.  

Takethedogalong replied on 08/09/2017 21:52

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:52

They can't stay on some Club Sites Oneputt, some are Members Only. It would add another payment level to CLs, a none member rate. Some might like it, others might not. Not sure if it affects Inspection Certificate Club issues annually either. 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 08/09/2017 22:14

Posted on 08/09/2017 21:47 by Oneputt

I have never understood why non members can't stay on CL's after all non members can stay on club sites.  My daughter an family paid an additional £12/night at Rookesbury Park.  

Posted on 08/09/2017 22:14

Oneputt replied on 09/09/2017 06:40

Posted on 09/09/2017 06:40

Thanks for the info but on reading the exemption it doesn't really indicate that non members can't use CL's:. In summary:

Caravan club exemptions

Supervised and occupied sites exemption

 let non-members bring and stay in their own caravan (if agreed with the landowner)

Approved sites exemption

Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.

Club meetings or rallies exemption

This is known as a paragraph 6 exemption.

With this exemption, your club can use a site for club meetings, rallies or events. These meetings need to:

·         last no longer than 5 days

·         be supervised by a member of the club

·         be open to members only

 The exemptions seem to show that non members can stay (with the exception of rallies)  so I assume(?) it must be a club rule.

 

CholseyGrange replied on 09/09/2017 07:47

Posted on 08/09/2017 22:14 by Tinwheeler

Posted on 09/09/2017 07:47

What we find odd, is that CL's can't sell Membership to 'drive-in' customers.  The C&CC allows their CS's to do this.  

With 2,300 CL's acting as 'sales outlets' I'm sure that the Club would gain a few hundred new members each year, and in the process CL's would not have to turn away non-members, and might even earn a small % of the £49 as a 'sign-on' bonus (as per the C&CC)..

When a CL is trying to 'fill' a late cancellation pitch on a bank holiday, and a non-member drives in, it doesn't seem logical to ask them to go on-line (may be difficult to do) to subscribe, or to call the Call Centre.

Tinwheeler replied on 09/09/2017 09:12

Posted on 09/09/2017 09:12

One, some of that is clearly for supervised sites and rallies but the Approved Sites Exemption you quote seems to be at odds with the first part of the article which states it's for members only.

Perhaps the members only rule is actually a form of safeguard for the CL owners. 

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