Calling all touring photographers...

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You are fully entitled to put forward your personal view DK but I would like to read an official response from CC Ltd.  

I am not sure there is anything to respond to. The Club have set the rules of the competition. If people don't like those rules they don't take part. Simple as that really. 

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Rochelle said...we need you!

We need your help to capture the beauty, exclusivity and tranquillity of your holiday on a Certified Location site. Each CL is unique, whether on a working farm, large country estate, in the heart of the country or handy for a city, each provides inspiration for stunning photography! Capture a moment to inspire other members to enjoy CLs.

 

It sounds like an excellent opportunity for member/owners to publisize their own sites, and bring some more business their way.

I see the response from Ro as the current official CC Ltd response:  I also see it as platitudes and waffle.  So the simple question is “If CC Ltd is not trying to exploit member’s photographs will they change the Terms and Conditions to reflect that fact?”  For clarity the answer is “Yes” or “No”.  

That'll be a NO then, and I can totally understand why. With exclusive rights, the club can distribute images whether for a fee, or free of charge, without having to contact the creator to seek permission each and every time they wish to do so. From the response the CC have given, they would not be seeking to charge for use (you would have to take their word on this and you would never know otherwise regardless) but they do intend to distribute to the CL owners, so that they can use the images to promote themselves, be that in print or web media) With exclusive rights, they can basically do what they want with the images and as per the C&CC Image Library (yes they have one) the club can also distribute to the media as they see fit, and charge for certain images if they want to (just as the C&CC do)

Of course, all of this doesn't matter if entrants to the competition have no concerns about how their entries will be used, it is entirely their choice. I think the reasoning behind the T&C's has been highlighted and if contributors are still happy to enter, then that is their call. 

 

It's still an image rights grab though... disguised as a competition  

If the club wants photographs to use on an exclusive basis for commercial purposes they should pay the going rate for the appropriate licence.

Hopefully CT members are now better informed why competitions like this exist and can make a choice to enter or not based upon the knowledge they are nothing more than an image grab. 

 

 

I just wanted to reassure you that the sole objective of the competition is to find images that give a true reflection of the wonderful CL sites we have on offer. User generated content, especially visual, gives a real representation to members of what they can expect and as such is very much valued. We have such a wonderful network of CL sites that many members enjoy. We want to support them and we appreciate your help in doing this too.  

You also often find that maany people really enjoy contributing and seeing their images used, however we completely understand if you would prefer not to submit any images and please don’t feel that you have to contribute.

Please be assured we are by no means trying to exploit member’s photographs but, with your help, are trying to offer inspiration to others whilst supporting the CL network, with the chance to win a prize along the way.

I hope this helps to clear up any confusion and thank you for your posts. 

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to follow up on Rowena's post from yesterday as I can see there is a concern that The Club could be distributing competition entries for sale or profit. 

Please be assured that The Club will only be using the competition entries for promotion of our CL network. Images will not be distributed outside of The Club for a fee or otherwise. 

The reason for the 'Exclusive Use' in the competition's Terms and Conditions is to ensure that when we use the images to promote the CL network, they haven't already been used elsewhere in stock photo libraries or as a different competition entry so that the imagery we publish is fresh and unique for our audience.

The aim for us is to have a thriving and inspirational image bank which we can use on our website, in our own publications and social media channels to promote The Club and our products and services. And who better than to contribute to this than those out there making use of the different sites available on our CL network? 

I really hope this alleviates any concerns about the use of any images.

Hannah

I just wanted to reassure you that the sole objective of the competition is to find images that give a true reflection of the wonderful CL sites we have on offer. User generated content, especially visual, gives a real representation to members of what they can expect and as such is very much valued. We have such a wonderful network of CL sites that many members enjoy. We want to support them and we appreciate your help in doing this too.  

You also often find that maany people really enjoy contributing and seeing their images used, however we completely understand if you would prefer not to submit any images and please don’t feel that you have to contribute.

Please be assured we are by no means trying to exploit member’s photographs but, with your help, are trying to offer inspiration to others whilst supporting the CL network, with the chance to win a prize along the way.

I hope this helps to clear up any confusion and thank you for your posts. 

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to follow up on Rowena's post from yesterday as I can see there is a concern that The Club could be distributing competition entries for sale or profit. 

Please be assured that The Club will only be using the competition entries for promotion of our CL network. Images will not be distributed outside of The Club for a fee or otherwise. 

The reason for the 'Exclusive Use' in the competition's Terms and Conditions is to ensure that when we use the images to promote the CL network, they haven't already been used elsewhere in stock photo libraries or as a different competition entry so that the imagery we publish is fresh and unique for our audience.

The aim for us is to have a thriving and inspirational image bank which we can use on our website, in our own publications and social media channels to promote The Club and our products and services. And who better than to contribute to this than those out there making use of the different sites available on our CL network? 

I really hope this alleviates any concerns about the use of any images.

Hannah

better* = cheaper

Sorry, but Rowena's post above claims that members contributing to the competition are not being exploited... are you sure about that? 

You are openly admitting this isn't about being a competition, but more about creating a commercial library

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Here's a thought... run the competition and filter down the entries before selecting the winners, to lets say for example, the best 100 or so images. Any entry that makes this prelimanary round receives 1 x Site Night Voucher

I gaurantee the club will get plenty of entries for their "in house" library and they should be of a good quality, as they would be expected to make the 'cut-off' (lets face it, poor quality images will end up in the 'trash' can anyway, won't they?)

Members will feel they are earning something for giving up their image rights. The Club would be likely to only make use of the highest quality images submitted, lesser quality images would not make the 'cut' and thus not earn a voucher. 

100 x Site Night Voucher, approx cost to the club £2000-3000, a mere scratch in the clubs finances and a hell of a lot cheaper than commissioning the photography.