Are CLs really members only

The Motor Caravanners Club issues the exemption certificate for that Nightstop scheme. They openly say on their website that their CLs are open to all. 

Thank you for highlighting this ET, I was going to correct BB but you have already done so. I think BVM has hit the nail on the head, it is down to the Clubs to make the final decicison, nothing to do with the 1960 act.

I note the MCC network is growing fast.

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thanks for that guys....as i had to become a member to take advantage of all the other MCC benefits (of which i just saw the CL network as a further benefit) i assumed ALL the benefits were members only.....so thanks.

How is it then that on the 5Van web site there are CL type sites which are affiliated to neither the CC or the CC&C?

nellie, its because there are other organisations (like MCC and Practical Motorhome) that run 'exempted' sites....theyve been given this roght by Natural England in the same way as CC and CCC.

MCC has its own network of CLs as does the PM which has the Nightstop network.

the issue is whether these 'clubs' (that are allowed to 'exempt' sites) have to insist on a members only policy.....it would seem not.

People have said on here that anyone can use MCC  CL sites but when I tried to look for details of their sites last summer I couldn't access them without logging in with a membership number. Has anyone else who isn't a member of the MCC been able to access their sites list ? Kellysmum

People have said on here that anyone can use MCC  CL sites but when I tried to look for details of their sites last summer I couldn't access them without logging in with a membership number. Has anyone else who isn't a member of the MCC been able to access their sites list ? Kellysmum

Is this what you are looking for-

http://dev.motorcaravanners.eu/index.php/club-cl-sites/71-mcc-cls-list

Sorry to keep repeating it, but the Gov website says clubs must prove they have a code of conduct for their Members before they can use the 5 van sites that the said club can issue an excemption certificate, for its Members to use,no mention of non members being allowed as they would not be covered by any clubs code of conduct 

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I am sorry to repeat myself as well but if you are talking about a paragraph 5 exemption the website wording is as follows (italics mine):-

Approved sites exemption

This is known as a paragraph 5 exemption.

With this exemption, your organisation can select sites for its members to stay on, by issuing certificates to the landowner or occupier. These certificates are valid for up to 1 year. 

Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.

You’ll need to:

• set a maximum limit of 5 caravans at a time for each site
• have a system for consulting neighbours and the local licensing authority (Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments) before issuing a certificate
• have a system for inspecting the sites and dealing with complaints from the public
• send copies of the certificates you issue to Natural England, or the Scottish or Welsh governments (depending on where your club is based

 

I can't see any reference to a Code of Conduct 

...Sorry missed that sentance about non members,,but it does contradict what it says on the first page of the Gov website when it speaks about eligibility for exemption

nellie, its because there are other organisations (like MCC and Practical Motorhome) that run 'exempted' sites....theyve been given this roght by Natural England in the same way as CC and CCC.

MCC has its own network of CLs as does the PM which has the Nightstop network.

the issue is whether these 'clubs' (that are allowed to 'exempt' sites) have to insist on a members only policy.....it would seem not.

BB, the one that immediately comes to mind is just a small private site and I'm sure that it isn't a member of either of those two clubs either. It used to to be a CL but is now shown as an independant site.

nellie, its because there are other organisations (like MCC and Practical Motorhome) that run 'exempted' sites....theyve been given this roght by Natural England in the same way as CC and CCC.

MCC has its own network of CLs as does the PM which has the Nightstop network.

the issue is whether these 'clubs' (that are allowed to 'exempt' sites) have to insist on a members only policy.....it would seem not.

BB, the one that immediately comes to mind is just a small private site and I'm sure that it isn't a member of either of those two clubs either. It used to to be a CL but is now shown as an independant site.

...If it used to be a cl and now gone private site it will /should have had to get planning permission from the local authority ,although i understand its easier to "convert" rather than to get permission from scratch

Easiest way to expand even here in Nat Park is to start CL.Allow overbooking and use the extra units as a reason to get full planning for more units, As others have said there are other organisations out there with exeptions. Farming Unions are looking at it. With the CC insisting on putting their heads in the sand re Max 5 they are likely to be left behind. What real support do the present CLs get from the club except the booklet

Easiest way to expand even here in Nat Park is to start CL.Allow overbooking and use the extra units as a reason to get full planning for more units, As others have said there are other organisations out there with exeptions. Farming Unions are looking at it. With the CC insisting on putting their heads in the sand re Max 5 they are likely to be left behind. What real support do the present CLs get from the club except the booklet

...Unless there is a change in all the UK govenments regulations then the five van max excemption certificate issued to any "club"will not alter