Are CLs really members only

peedee replied on 03/01/2016 13:01

Posted on 03/01/2016 13:01

What is the official line? On and off over the years I have noticed the Guidance Notes issued by the various government agency have, to say the least, been inconsistent. I see the Government itself has now produced the latest note which can be read >here< and it says,

“Non-members are allowed to stay on the site if your club and the landowner agree to it.”

Do CL owners have a choice in the matter or does the Club insist on members only as a condition of giving the certificate?

peedee

 

Vulcan replied on 31/01/2016 11:51

Posted on 31/01/2016 11:51

Unfortunately as I pointed out to the CC,the new checking system does not determine if the person in possession of the card is a member, only that the membership card and number is current.To do so will involve photo cards which will mean more expense due to a minority of people trying to fiddle the system as usual.

wildemere replied on 31/01/2016 12:09

Posted on 31/01/2016 12:09

I always ask for a membership number and contact phone when I take a booking. I do not do texts. our phone signal is very poor from my supplier.I have never asked to see a membership card on the arrival of a visitor as it tells me nothing. I also never ask for an address, And I agree with Valcon 100%

kellysdad replied on 31/01/2016 19:59

Posted on 31/01/2016 19:59

Unfortunately as I pointed out to the CC,the new checking system does not determine if the person in possession of the card is a member, only that the membership card and number is current.To do so will involve photo cards which will mean more expense due to a minority of people trying to fiddle the system as usual.

Write your comments here...I don't think we have ever had anyone stay that I suspected wasn't a CC member. I did have a booking from someone last year which I was a bit dubious about but they didn't turn up for the fortnight they booked anyway so I didn't find out if they were actually the member or not. I did suggest to the CC when they brought in the new text service that it was OK to text "Current member" but it might be a good idea to change it to the expiry date as although a member is current today they might not be by September when the booking is for.  Kellysmum

BlueVanMan replied on 01/02/2016 08:37

Posted on 01/02/2016 08:37

I may be wrong but I got the impression that once a site is certified (and it is only certain organisations such as the CC who can certify) then it can in general allow anyone it wishes onto the site. However I expect as a matter of contract with the CC as certifying authority it is not permitted to allow non members or more than 5 units to use the site. In other words allowing non members may not be unlawful but may be a breach of its contract with the CC. 

JVB66 replied on 01/02/2016 08:57

Posted on 01/02/2016 08:57

I think that the cl/cs networks run by both major clubs can only be used by members  of the clubs as that is part of the exemption certificates issued to the clubs  

BlueVanMan replied on 01/02/2016 09:07

Posted on 01/02/2016 09:07

I think that the cl/cs networks run by both major clubs can only be used by members  of the clubs as that is part of the exemption certificates issued to the clubs  

I don't think that is right I think as a matter of law once the exemption certificate is issued (and there are various organisations authorised to issue exeption certificates) the site can be freely used however I imagine that clubs control use to members only contractually and theree is a measure of dependency on the part of the site owner on the club.  

 

AndyNYorks replied on 01/02/2016 09:14

Posted on 01/02/2016 09:14

I think that the cl/cs networks run by both major clubs can only be used by members  of the clubs as that is part of the exemption certificates issued to the clubs  

I don't think that is right I think as a matter of law once the exemption certificate is issued (and there are various organisations authorised to issue exeption certificates) the site can be freely used however I imagine that clubs control use to members only contractually and theree is a measure of dependency on the part of the site owner on the club.  

 

Once an excemption is granted it is then up to the excempted organisation to decide whether to allow non-members. The CC state that they are members only, that is their rules and in my opinion rightly so.

JVB66 replied on 01/02/2016 09:35

Posted on 01/02/2016 09:35

Natural England is the only organisation that can issue exemption certificates to Clubs/Organisations for recreational camping and they must be able to supply proof that their MEMBERS have a code of conduct that applys to their use of the sites 

eurortraveller replied on 01/02/2016 09:57

Posted on 01/02/2016 09:57

BlueVanMan got it right on the previous page. This Club's way of keeping membership up is to say to site owners we will get you a certificate if you agree to keep non members out. Site owners who let non members in are breaking their agreement with the Club but are not breaking any national law. 

PITCHTOCLOSE replied on 01/02/2016 11:36

Posted on 01/02/2016 11:36

I think that the cl/cs networks run by both major clubs can only be used by members  of the clubs as that is part of the exemption certificates issued to the clubs  

I don't think that is right I think as a matter of law once the exemption certificate is issued (and there are various organisations authorised to issue exeption certificates) the site can be freely used however I imagine that clubs control use to members only contractually and theree is a measure of dependency on the part of the site owner on the club.  

 

Write your comments here...So can the CC revoke the certificate if they allow non members, and are they breaking any law or just CC rules. 

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