5 van sites exemption etc

viatorem replied on 25/03/2021 08:38

Posted on 25/03/2021 08:38

There are many forums out there discussing 5 van sites no doubt as a result of the bookings boom.

Claims that any organisation can get an exemption for a 5 van site, that you do no have to be a club member to use a 5 van site and that if you have a five van site you can add an aire are rife.

Is this misinformation or true, do the club's need to clarify this?

 

JVB66 replied on 26/03/2021 09:38

Posted on 25/03/2021 19:29 by eurortraveller

JohnM20,  Be generous, members or not, we all enjoy this hobby and we all need good places to stay, I myself have no wish to turn other people away just for my own benefit. 

Posted on 26/03/2021 09:38

 By "not turning people away" as you want? CL/CS owners by doing so   any holders of the 5van exemption certificate applied for under the rules/regulations  that they agreed to when applying,  could have it withdrawn which would mean thousands of 5 van sites could have to close 

Biggarmac replied on 27/03/2021 10:58

Posted on 27/03/2021 10:58

I have only been to one CL where I was not asked for my membership number.  This year there will be lots of CLs trying to recoup some of the income lost over the last 12 months.  If someone turns up who is not a member I cannot see what is wrong with them being allowed to join online when they arrive at a CL.  More members for the club and more income for the small business that is the CL.

Tinwheeler replied on 27/03/2021 12:41

Posted on 27/03/2021 12:41

Agreed, BM. The key issue is that they do join so they are members at the time they stay on the CL.👍🏻

Cornersteady replied on 27/03/2021 13:31

Posted on 27/03/2021 10:58 by Biggarmac

I have only been to one CL where I was not asked for my membership number.  This year there will be lots of CLs trying to recoup some of the income lost over the last 12 months.  If someone turns up who is not a member I cannot see what is wrong with them being allowed to join online when they arrive at a CL.  More members for the club and more income for the small business that is the CL.

Posted on 27/03/2021 13:31

Yes nothing wrong at all. The same can (or could) be done at a club site too.

wildemere replied on 27/03/2021 13:57

Posted on 27/03/2021 10:58 by Biggarmac

I have only been to one CL where I was not asked for my membership number.  This year there will be lots of CLs trying to recoup some of the income lost over the last 12 months.  If someone turns up who is not a member I cannot see what is wrong with them being allowed to join online when they arrive at a CL.  More members for the club and more income for the small business that is the CL.

Posted on 27/03/2021 13:57

As a CL owner on booking I ask for a contact phone number and the membership number, On arrival on site I have never asked to see the membership card, as my card has a name on it plus a number, but there is no way of proving the person presenting the card is the name on it. Without a photo of the member on the card. to me its worthless.  

Takethedogalong replied on 27/03/2021 15:26

Posted on 27/03/2021 15:26

Indeed wildemere.

I am very surprised that the Club still hasn’t got around to allowing those CLs who wish to do so, to join up new Members. All it would take is a phone call with new Member to HQ, take a card payment, give out a temporary Membership number to new Member, and let them get on with it. (Membership package to home address ASAP) When we used to stay on a hidden away CL in Cornwall, we often used to spend a day on the Site, and every day would bring in at least one, often two or three folks taking a look or popping in to see if they could stay. Lots were not Members, couldn’t stay, and moved on somewhere else.

I am not saying that all CLs should have to join new Members, only those interested, but some incentive for the CL owner would be good, and it would take very little to set up. We joined CADW at Caerphilly Castle like this, and visited lots more CADW sites that holiday. Our full Members pack was waiting for us when we got home. Club is so behind the times with certain aspects, still dragging its heels kicking and screaming into third decade of techno Millenium🤨

Fisherman replied on 27/03/2021 15:50

Posted on 27/03/2021 15:50

Its so far behind the times in not advocating for a amendment to the 5 rule. You see it as the network contacts, no  policing members usage and overcrowding. Result haemorrhaging of the network

viatorem replied on 27/03/2021 15:50

Posted on 27/03/2021 13:57 by wildemere

As a CL owner on booking I ask for a contact phone number and the membership number, On arrival on site I have never asked to see the membership card, as my card has a name on it plus a number, but there is no way of proving the person presenting the card is the name on it. Without a photo of the member on the card. to me its worthless.  

Posted on 27/03/2021 15:50

Just out of interest does the membership number get referred back to the club for occupancy stats or is it for your records only? 

BirchHillFarmCL replied on 28/03/2021 10:57

Posted on 28/03/2021 10:57

The operating certificate that we receive annually from the CAMC has the following condition:
Only members of the Caravan and Motorhome Club on producing their membership cards may be accommodated on the Certificated Location and only for the purposes of recreation.”

We always ask for membership numbers and check their validity using a GDPR-compliant text service provided for CL Owners by the CAMC.

Ian Kelly
01691 622951
Holiday@BirchHill.co.uk

Birch Hill, The Cross, Ellesmere, Shropshire, SY12 0LP
www.BirchHill.co.uk

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Fisherman replied on 28/03/2021 13:55

Posted on 28/03/2021 13:55

Who if anybody polices the rule. Certainly not the local authority. With the ambiguity of CAMC 5 Vans and CC 5 vans & 10 tents ( local authority looks at units) they dont want to get involved. Has anyone seen a club inspector? Its a   case of " let sleeping dogs lie" rather than taking a proactive stance to seek a change in this archaic ruling.

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