5 van sites exemption etc

viatorem replied on 25/03/2021 08:38

Posted on 25/03/2021 08:38

There are many forums out there discussing 5 van sites no doubt as a result of the bookings boom.

Claims that any organisation can get an exemption for a 5 van site, that you do no have to be a club member to use a 5 van site and that if you have a five van site you can add an aire are rife.

Is this misinformation or true, do the club's need to clarify this?

 

JVB66 replied on 25/03/2021 15:20

Posted on 25/03/2021 12:28 by brue

I'll solve the mystery for you, the club can and does stipulate in the exemption that CLs are for "members only."

See HERE

On temporary sites etc the rules can be changed.

Posted on 25/03/2021 15:20

It is the setting up of exemption certificated sites that is in question, and as written in the Government Regs it clearly states to hold an exemption certificate they are issued to a "club" for the use of members only

There was no mention of "tempory sites" in the OPs queryundecided

brue replied on 25/03/2021 15:31

Posted on 25/03/2021 15:31

Nevertheless, the information, if there is a need, is out there for all to understand. smile

eurortraveller replied on 25/03/2021 15:44

Posted on 25/03/2021 15:44

Among those organisations holding an exemption certificate to have a 5 van site there is the Wimsey Wharf Association - but I can’t find out much about them - so the Moose Caravan and Camping Club is a more interesting one.They have one CL on a big estate in Somerset and their website gives separate prices for members and non members of that Club. But Wimsey Wharf Association anyone? 

JVB66 replied on 25/03/2021 16:38

Posted on 25/03/2021 15:44 by eurortraveller

Among those organisations holding an exemption certificate to have a 5 van site there is the Wimsey Wharf Association - but I can’t find out much about them - so the Moose Caravan and Camping Club is a more interesting one.They have one CL on a big estate in Somerset and their website gives separate prices for members and non members of that Club. But Wimsey Wharf Association anyone? 

Posted on 25/03/2021 16:38

Before Baltic Wharf "WareHouse At Riverfront"just a wimsey thought

JohnM20 replied on 25/03/2021 16:40

Posted on 25/03/2021 09:56 by JVB66

All excemption certificates when issued are only valid for use of members of the organisation it is issued to and ir must be proved they are competant to hold one that must be held by a member of the organisation they can also be withdrawn by the local LA if there are complaints or non compliance 

And non compliance is why both major clubs who are holders of certificates ,need to be advised by members using CLs /CS as if it comes from the locals (NIMBY)about non compliance then more notice will be taken ,and could result in either clubs certificate being withdrawn?undecided

Posted on 25/03/2021 16:40

It's disappointing that in July last year I advised the club that a CL in Derbyshire  requested people to book via their online booking form. Nowhere on the website does it state that the site is available to CaMC members only so anyone could book a pitch. There is no request for a membership number. Nine months later the website and booking form is still not amended. There is only the CaMC sign on the gate  stating members only which is a bit late to find out although when I visited last July I wasn't asked to show my membership card.

As the CL is in a very popular area it is quite likely it is already booked up by non-members for this year.

eurortraveller replied on 25/03/2021 19:29

Posted on 25/03/2021 19:29

JohnM20,  Be generous, members or not, we all enjoy this hobby and we all need good places to stay, I myself have no wish to turn other people away just for my own benefit. 

Tinwheeler replied on 25/03/2021 19:57

Posted on 25/03/2021 19:29 by eurortraveller

JohnM20,  Be generous, members or not, we all enjoy this hobby and we all need good places to stay, I myself have no wish to turn other people away just for my own benefit. 

Posted on 25/03/2021 19:57

Mmm, let non-members stay and the end result could be the club losing the right to issue exemption certificates so we lose all the CLs. That's to the detriment of us all. Generosity, no; short sighted, yes.

brue replied on 25/03/2021 20:09

Posted on 25/03/2021 20:09

The site owners could find their public liability insurance is affected if they don't comply (mentioned on the CL setting up guide.)

JohnM20 replied on 26/03/2021 09:23

Posted on 25/03/2021 19:29 by eurortraveller

JohnM20,  Be generous, members or not, we all enjoy this hobby and we all need good places to stay, I myself have no wish to turn other people away just for my own benefit. 

Posted on 26/03/2021 09:23

We predominantly, like many others, are members of the club to take advantage of the CL network. That's what we pay our membership for. If non-members can use a CL what is the point of having  membership?

There must be some people out there that have used this particular CL because, until arriving, they didn't know it was members only and others, I dare say, who know full well that they shouldn't really be using the site but as there is no apparent check on membership at the time of booking or upon arrival they can get away with it. 

The point of my earlier post was just to point out that reporting issues to the club as stated by JBV66 doesn't always get a result, even though the apparent problem has been acknowledged.

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