2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold

NutsyH replied on 19/11/2020 10:56

Posted on 19/11/2020 10:56

What is the Club's position on this announcement?

It sounds the death knell for towing anything like a decent size caravan unless reasonably priced electric cars capable of towing over 200 miles without recharge suddenly appear, and the recharging infrastructure expands rapidly. Given the incompetence of most politicians that is unlikely to happen.

Or do we think this is just another of Bojo's announcements that will quietly be forgotten when it becomes clear that there is no chance of this happening by 2030?

Perhaps the Club could enlighten us on whether it is engaging with the Government, as it is abundantly clear that no thought has been given to this issue by the Politicos.

brue replied on 29/12/2020 10:32

Posted on 28/12/2020 20:15 by JVB66

Just another point that was "slipped out" recently, when we had the first lockdown in this country , air pollution levels dropped by only 10% even though very little road/air transport was movingsurprised

And our Mr Shapps drives a Tesla? and has just had the new "green badged" number plates fitted at one of our local service centres and  with "big" publicity with itundecided

Posted on 29/12/2020 10:32

I think you need to give the source for those stats JVB. 

You also previously mentioned concerns about charging in places where charge points are not easily available. The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically. Comments being made on here now only relate to the present but we can keep an eye on research and developments that look feasible in the future. One of them is charging strips in the roads.

There are a handful of people who post on CT who have hybrid cars which is a step towards the future. A couple of us have EVs, no complaints, especially on running costs which have been minimal.

What we haven't got yet is a reasonably priced EV which can tow and we don't seem to have any input from caravan manufacturers on the subject.

Commercial vans can now run on electric, so motorhomes will probably be part of this advancement.

JVB why not ask the caravan industry what is happening?

peedee replied on 29/12/2020 10:43

Posted on 29/12/2020 10:43

How long will this reduction in demand take to destroy the caravan industry? Not long, methinks.

I agree with David (DK) I think the motorhome stands a better chance of being the tourer of the future than the caravan. While currently there is a £20,000 premium on such vehicles that may not be the case in the future and prices may well settle at or near those of current ICE vehicles. Manufacturers making just caravans are more likely to fall by the wayside than those with motorhomes in their stable.

As far as towing is concerned, hydrogen powered vehicles are a red herring. They are no more capable at towing than a pure battery powered vehicle.

FYI new housing is being built with EV charging points and off street charging areas.

peedee

SteveL replied on 29/12/2020 11:12

Posted on 29/12/2020 11:12

The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically.

I am sure they will have changed dramatically in 10 years. However, this will not apply to the second hand market of older EV's many of who's owners will be living in the type of housing that JVB was referring to. The older vehicles will still take a significant time to charge, even on fast chargers. So not really practical to visit the charging station as you would the fuel station if driving an ice alternative.

brue replied on 29/12/2020 11:20

Posted on 29/12/2020 11:20

Rapid part charging is fast Steve, not many will run their batteries down to the minimum level. Have a look at BP Pulse etc. 

EmilysDad replied on 29/12/2020 11:38

Posted on 29/12/2020 11:20 by brue

Rapid part charging is fast Steve, not many will run their batteries down to the minimum level. Have a look at BP Pulse etc. 

Posted on 29/12/2020 11:38

how fast is 'fast' .... even if just 20 mins, it'll take you a while if you're 3rd or 4th in the queue, not something you could do on your way to work if your EV battery is a little low on charge.

JVB66 replied on 29/12/2020 12:38

Posted on 29/12/2020 10:32 by brue

I think you need to give the source for those stats JVB. 

You also previously mentioned concerns about charging in places where charge points are not easily available. The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically. Comments being made on here now only relate to the present but we can keep an eye on research and developments that look feasible in the future. One of them is charging strips in the roads.

There are a handful of people who post on CT who have hybrid cars which is a step towards the future. A couple of us have EVs, no complaints, especially on running costs which have been minimal.

What we haven't got yet is a reasonably priced EV which can tow and we don't seem to have any input from caravan manufacturers on the subject.

Commercial vans can now run on electric, so motorhomes will probably be part of this advancement.

JVB why not ask the caravan industry what is happening?

Posted on 29/12/2020 12:38

The polution level stat was by a Cambridge Uni climate expert on our local news ,he has probably now  been "black balled" by those who hoped to give "marketing facts?"

When an EV can tow a caravan as our 2ltr diesel sportage ,about 400miles on a tankfull of fuel and take 5mins to to refill at a pump  then it may be viable for many?

A hybrid is as near as one can get but are as those with them admit if honest are not that economic as they are,  I think? petrol ICE

we have two Mitsubishi hybrids in our road and the owner of one admits the battery is getting "tired" and needs charging more often,as it is used for mostly shorter journeys and has no direct access to his house (as many in this garden city as not designed with cars in mind)so has to park on a grassed public space to get to charge it 

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/12/2020 12:54

Posted on 29/12/2020 10:32 by brue

I think you need to give the source for those stats JVB. 

You also previously mentioned concerns about charging in places where charge points are not easily available. The argument against that is diesel and petrol aren't available outside many houses either and just like you do now you'll make a trip to the EV service station. In another ten years time developments in vehicle power will have changed dramatically. Comments being made on here now only relate to the present but we can keep an eye on research and developments that look feasible in the future. One of them is charging strips in the roads.

There are a handful of people who post on CT who have hybrid cars which is a step towards the future. A couple of us have EVs, no complaints, especially on running costs which have been minimal.

What we haven't got yet is a reasonably priced EV which can tow and we don't seem to have any input from caravan manufacturers on the subject.

Commercial vans can now run on electric, so motorhomes will probably be part of this advancement.

JVB why not ask the caravan industry what is happening?

Posted on 29/12/2020 12:54

+1, Diesels engines have been around for 90 years so to make any fair & meaningful comparisons we’d need to be into the 22nd century👍🏻

Rayrowe35 replied on 03/01/2021 20:05

Posted on 27/12/2020 23:51 by Tinwheeler

Are you including Hinkley Point C, RR, as I understand that's due for completion in 2025 after approx 7 years of construction work?

Posted on 03/01/2021 20:05

Size well B was the last nuclear power station to come on line in 1995. Since then, there has been endless discussions, enquiries, planning etc. 2027? We will see. I have no confidence in this.

Ray

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