So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

Cornersteady replied on 10/03/2019 10:04

Posted on 10/03/2019 10:04

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Funny how you remember things, I once stayed a week in a friend's ageing Fiat 238 motor home near Torre del Lago in Tuscany.

This was in 1979, but according to the AD principle that means...Oh my goodness, I'm a over there off grid MOTOR-HOMER

moulesy replied on 10/03/2019 10:23

Posted on 10/03/2019 08:55 by

Is there a set number nights on CAMC sites required before one entitled to an opinion  or maybe number of seperate sites used in the last few years.

For example I think I know a little about them from fairly recent  visits to: Burford, Morn Hill, Rooksbury Park, Bladon Chains, Cirencester, Commons Wood , Cherry Hinton, Wirral Country Park and Blackhorse Farm. I could go back further but I think you get my point.

Posted on 10/03/2019 10:23

Did I not say that you were, of course, entitled to express your opinion, then David? Or did you miss that in your haste to have a go at point scoring? 

It's clear that,  as far as stops in the UK are concerned you're more than happy with club sites. Why else would you have chosen Commons Wood to try out your new van and why else do you choose to stop at Bladon Chains each year when there are alternatives in each area? In fact, how many UK nights have you spent on non club sites in the last few years to be able to compare them with club sites?

You clearly have great knowledge and expertise in European touring, but perhaps you might acknowledge that there are many on here with more recent knowledge than yourself of sites in the UK?

Takethedogalong replied on 10/03/2019 11:03

Posted on 10/03/2019 11:03

I am still waiting patiently for an answer from DD regarding how many CLs (UK version of a cheap basic stopover) he has tried. Maybe BB might like to answer as well? Nothing sinister in my request, I was just wondering how many have been tried, and what they thought.

This kind of site, along with small private sites, has become our first choice when putting together a UK tour, primarily because we seldom fail to find anything in a location we choose, and the vast range of facilities, prices and very accommodating owners makes life very easy. We use Club Sites, some anyway, but mainly the more basic ones, the Racecourse Sites, and one or two perfectly placed for special events we might be undertaking. But the UK network of small sites is the main reason we remain members, like AD in range of 30+ years. Most CLs offer a very unique stopover, but with a tiny bit of research, probably 99% of CLs and small sites we choose meet our requirements. That’s why I don’t think the Club should spend lots of money on Club Site stop off pitches. Better to lobby local councils and tourist boards.

Classic example of where and who to lobby would be Northumbrian Tourist Board. The Hadrian’s Wall area is sadly rather short of caravan/MH stops in general. We have used the same CL for the last four years because this type of site is so short. Club no longer have a presence close to area, so it’s either C&CC site (if it’s open at Haltwhistle) or Hexham Racecourse (again limited season). We don’t touch former Club Site Fallowfield Dene because it’s just too expensive. So, what did we come across last year? The Sill. Big new visitor centre, and replaced Youth Hostel at Twice Brewed. Just below Steel Rigg, best bit of Wall in area. Huge parking spaces, dwarfed our little MH, number plate recognition system, toilets, showers, shop, nice cafe, all on site. A fabulous overnight stop, mid way along Wall. But no overnight parking other than for YH patrons. We registered our thoughts with onsite staff, who are also concerned at lack of sites in area. If more folks do this, then it’s a custom set up that only needs a tap and a waste outside, which to be honest might already be in place. A true win win for National Park, and visitors. 

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Posted on 10/03/2019 10:04 by Cornersteady

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Funny how you remember things, I once stayed a week in a friend's ageing Fiat 238 motor home near Torre del Lago in Tuscany.

This was in 1979, but according to the AD principle that means...Oh my goodness, I'm a over there off grid MOTOR-HOMER

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mickysf replied on 10/03/2019 12:22

Posted on 09/03/2019 17:39 by DSB

I'm afraid I haven't trawled through all the posts in this thread, so I apologise for any repetition.

I think there are a number of issues here.  One important issue is that the Club find it difficult to find land that is available for sites as it is - I think land for aires may be more difficult still.  So much land that becomes available at present seems to be immediately seized upon for housing development.

Also, we do not have a tradition of 'aires' in the UK, and this might well contribute towards any decision to allow aires to be developed by the Club.  The Club has to seek planning if it needs to change any of pitches e.g. if it wants to put in hardstandings - it is subject to local authority approval.  There are also sites on the network which have tent pitches because of local authority requirements.  Any development of 'aires' or similar, similarly would require local authority approval.  Without this tradition, local authorities may look upon aires as more of an inconvenience, especially with a large turnover of vehicles on a daily basis.  It is difficult enough to get approval and land for 'traditional sites'.

The Club is unlikely to develop a site in order to make a financial loss.  Any site requires development and therefore would entail a charge to use and maintain.  It would require staff to run it etc.  I can't honestly see the Club developing a system which would essentially help to separate off caravanners and motorhomers.  Even if a site could be found, it would be very much an 'experiment' and the Club would need to ensure that they could turn such an area in to a conventional site for caravanners and motorhomers, should it fail.  

I would certainly not be a 'free' facility, as it sometimes is in France.  Not only would it cost the Club money (in whatever form it took), but essentially it would need maintenance and site staff.

Personally, I can't see what real benefit could be achieved taking all these things into consideration.  The Club might well be best to continue to develop sites that can be used by caravanners, motorhomers and trailer tenters.

Just my view 

David

Posted on 10/03/2019 12:22

But David, it's not just your view, it's that of many of us others too, both caravaners and motorhomers. This fictitious 'surplus to requirement' space, the loss in revenue to the club, the cost to implement even if barren space could be found and all those other reasons highlighted in the thread makes, as you and many others have pointed out, the proposed idea a non starter. As I've suggested we already have the ability to stay just that one night on all sites, given availability, which is at the same cost to all members and this feature is one we should cherish.

Also, no need to apologise for not trawling through the whole thread, you summed up the situation most succinctly. As a result I reckon it could possibly be closed now.

Cornersteady replied on 10/03/2019 12:26

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Post us some pictures about itsurprised

Posted on 10/03/2019 12:26

well I have actually already asked, they reply was;

quote: No digitalizzed, ma appena li troverò lo farò

replied on 10/03/2019 12:29

Posted on 10/03/2019 10:23 by moulesy

Did I not say that you were, of course, entitled to express your opinion, then David? Or did you miss that in your haste to have a go at point scoring? 

It's clear that,  as far as stops in the UK are concerned you're more than happy with club sites. Why else would you have chosen Commons Wood to try out your new van and why else do you choose to stop at Bladon Chains each year when there are alternatives in each area? In fact, how many UK nights have you spent on non club sites in the last few years to be able to compare them with club sites?

You clearly have great knowledge and expertise in European touring, but perhaps you might acknowledge that there are many on here with more recent knowledge than yourself of sites in the UK?

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moulesy replied on 10/03/2019 14:11

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Actually we have used Commons Wood a number of times because we have family close by and cant be bothered to look elsewhere and at £16 (current price) about the same as a CL with the advantage of hardstandings.

 

BTW at the moment it is non facility and suited us to try out the new van to its full and we showered in it probably for the first and last time. Incidentally the facilities block there will probably be some time yet before its ready as it was on fire Tuesday night with 3 appliances in attendance.

Posted on 10/03/2019 14:11

I hope the new van is working out well for you, David. smile

£16 hardly seems "overpriced" for a club site though. And you still haven't made clear how many non club sites you've used in the UK recently to be able to compare them with club sites? undecided

ATDel replied on 10/03/2019 14:36

Posted on 09/03/2019 16:53 by

Further up the thread you will find I posted a link to the website of one in Palencia.  Frankly if you can't find them then you are not looking in the right places or not bothering.  Google Aires in Silves (Portugal). There are three there all way better than the average CC Ltd sites. Also have a look at Camping-Car Park for places in France.  

Posted on 10/03/2019 14:36

Well well, quoting Silves, we were at Silves by the castle in January, nice aire but if you think that is better than a club site for facilities and space you need to start taking more water with it. About 6 feet between vans not 6m and the toiltet block, oh no its a shower for a euro no toilet. Please dont insult my little bit of intelligence as once again you have blown your argument out of the water. You must try harder 

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