So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

moulesy replied on 05/03/2019 19:21

Posted on 05/03/2019 19:21

"this is immediately followed by squeals from caravan owners who say these improvements can't be for MHers alone..."

Rather rude to characterise caravaners expressing an opinion as "squealing" surely, BB, no more so than the small cadre of MHers "squawking" for a better deal? wink

Anyway to get back on topic - three questions:

1) Although none of us can actually know, what percentage of club MHers (let alone MHers as a whole) do you estimate would want to tour in your way in the UK?

2) If it's such a good idea, how come those commercial sites you use and praise so often (Haven, Morris, Concierge et al ) haven't jumped on the bandwagon?

3) If the likes of Lidl and Aldi offer this sort of provision on the continent, have you though of lobbying them to do likewise over here, or, like others, are you just waiting for someone else to make the effort?

JVB66 replied on 05/03/2019 19:24

Posted on 05/03/2019 18:25 by eurortraveller

It really isn't "few who would use them" .  

Those of us who tour Europe know full well that what you call "substandard pitches" are hugely popular and they will prove so here in the UK when they are set up. The world is changing .

Posted on 05/03/2019 19:24

I suppose as standards in most things these days seem to be getting lower and lower in the chase for more profits" then your post will probably come true i am afraid ,which most of us will come to regret

Cornersteady replied on 05/03/2019 19:28

Posted on 05/03/2019 19:21 by moulesy

"this is immediately followed by squeals from caravan owners who say these improvements can't be for MHers alone..."

Rather rude to characterise caravaners expressing an opinion as "squealing" surely, BB, no more so than the small cadre of MHers "squawking" for a better deal? wink

Anyway to get back on topic - three questions:

1) Although none of us can actually know, what percentage of club MHers (let alone MHers as a whole) do you estimate would want to tour in your way in the UK?

2) If it's such a good idea, how come those commercial sites you use and praise so often (Haven, Morris, Concierge et al ) haven't jumped on the bandwagon?

3) If the likes of Lidl and Aldi offer this sort of provision on the continent, have you though of lobbying them to do likewise over here, or, like others, are you just waiting for someone else to make the effort?

Posted on 05/03/2019 19:28

+1

replied on 05/03/2019 20:01

Posted on 05/03/2019 19:20 by Cornersteady

how can people justify taking out parts of the car park and so affecting others just so they can get a cheap night is really beyond me?

Why not stay off site or where this sort of parking happens? Too 'timid' perhaps? btw I am only saying that as 'timid' word has often been used against those who use club sites.

It sort of seems like they want all the benefits of a club site but want to pay less for that?

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ocsid replied on 05/03/2019 20:05

Posted on 05/03/2019 20:05

Forgive me in that I found I could not plough all through this thread, but from the start the following seems obvious.
There will be huge animosity if the club singles out one camping mode group for special exclusive camping, funded at the expense of all, even the name change was all about inclusiveness, not exclusiveness.
Yes, we fund play equipment that at 76 I don't make a lot of use of, but I suspect children in the care of caravanners, trailer tenters and motorhomers all do. I can't except that because we fund those, it follows we should fund sites exclusively for either motorhomers, or indeed either caravanner or trailer tenters
Is it not time this special interest group form its own independent club, to provide just what they want?
Charge a membership fee or get bank loans to fund buying inner conurbation, and bus route land for a network of these sites and provide the specific facilities needed. I suspect they would first have to win the legislators over to forgo presently excepted UK standard fire prevention policies and find insurers to underwrite the associated risks these providers might consider they carry.
Then charge night stay fees as they see fit to run, maintain and expand the network.
This would certainly be equitable, everything specifically funded by those wanting this. I suspect in competition with the house and commercial land development pressures, we would not be doing this at anything like the CMC's membership fee levels, together with just the few £s nightly fee as is mooted. The consciences though would be clear, it is all done without requiring those excluded being required to help pay for it.

Hurry, we could soon be coming motorhomers!

Cornersteady replied on 05/03/2019 20:56

Posted on 05/03/2019 20:01 by

You have misunderstood what is being suggested.  The super markets over here, and it is not confined to Aldi and Lidl, encourage MHs but not to the exclusion of others wanting to park.  The parking bays are dual purpose.  If a MH turns up and and there is no space that is tough.  I can't see any reason why CC Ltd carparks should not be used by MH wishing to over night.  In fact I know it happens in some instances.

Posted on 05/03/2019 20:56

No I haven't. Your analogy is flawed. A supermarket car park will be used by those shopping and overnight it may be closed and so those spaces could be used.

So a MH turns up on a club and take the last few spaces at say 9pm and it could take quite a few spaces if it has to park itself across bays as it won't fit in length ways.

Then those outfits with extra cars and/or visitors turn up after a night out and cannot park. Yes that seems fair???

All I understand is that you want a cheap club site visit at the expense of other users. Not fair at all.

As you rarely visit club sites (if at all) and not a member I think your facts are just second hand, or you're doing your (as freely stated by you) winding people up routine?

 

Cornersteady replied on 05/03/2019 20:58

Posted on 05/03/2019 20:58

Is it not time this special interest group form its own independent club, to provide just what they want?

No they want the rest of us to provide that for them with our money.

Good post, what I and a few others have posted.

rayjsj replied on 05/03/2019 21:22

Posted on 05/03/2019 14:24 by

Very few UK MHs have black waste tanks.  Most have c/van style cassettes.  Can't see the issue.

Posted on 05/03/2019 21:22

Agree, mainly American RVs , are the only i have seen with a 'Black waste' tanks....dont rate them as there is no provision in the UK.

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Posted on 05/03/2019 20:56 by Cornersteady

No I haven't. Your analogy is flawed. A supermarket car park will be used by those shopping and overnight it may be closed and so those spaces could be used.

So a MH turns up on a club and take the last few spaces at say 9pm and it could take quite a few spaces if it has to park itself across bays as it won't fit in length ways.

Then those outfits with extra cars and/or visitors turn up after a night out and cannot park. Yes that seems fair???

All I understand is that you want a cheap club site visit at the expense of other users. Not fair at all.

As you rarely visit club sites (if at all) and not a member I think your facts are just second hand, or you're doing your (as freely stated by you) winding people up routine?

 

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young thomas replied on 06/03/2019 08:03

Posted on 05/03/2019 18:25 by eurortraveller

It really isn't "few who would use them" .  

Those of us who tour Europe know full well that what you call "substandard pitches" are hugely popular and they will prove so here in the UK when they are set up. The world is changing .

Posted on 06/03/2019 08:03

good post, and not forgetting the European visitors here who are already very familiar with this type of facility.

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