So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

replied on 02/03/2019 15:24

Posted on 02/03/2019 15:24

CAMC has developed many services which only small sections of Members use so I reject the idea that nothing can be developed which doesn’t serve the trailer caravanners among Members is blinkered and selfish.  

Oh Dear, Oh Dear. Stand and look into the mirror fella if you want to view selfish!

 

Rufs replied on 02/03/2019 15:25

Posted on 02/03/2019 15:25

Members who have never toured abroad will have had no experience of Aires de Camping Car, as the French call them, but take it from me there are a huge number of them and they are very popular.

perhaps to the detrement of the main sites. my daughter (tugger) stayed on a site in France last year during July and it only had 75% occupancy, and the owner was complaining because across the road was an Aires with parking for many Mh's which was always full.

As a tugger you are right I am excluded from using Aires, but how do these work, surely  there must be a degree of maintenance/cleaning/supervision required that all costs money, I cant believe in the UK something on the line of an Aires charging say £5 per night would be self sufficient.

and local authorities who don’t see any value in the idea and worry about Travellers.

very true, and if you should visit the Gosport/Fareham area you would see the amount of money spent on building fortifications to hold these at bay.

replied on 02/03/2019 15:40

Posted on 02/03/2019 15:25 by Rufs

Members who have never toured abroad will have had no experience of Aires de Camping Car, as the French call them, but take it from me there are a huge number of them and they are very popular.

perhaps to the detrement of the main sites. my daughter (tugger) stayed on a site in France last year during July and it only had 75% occupancy, and the owner was complaining because across the road was an Aires with parking for many Mh's which was always full.

As a tugger you are right I am excluded from using Aires, but how do these work, surely  there must be a degree of maintenance/cleaning/supervision required that all costs money, I cant believe in the UK something on the line of an Aires charging say £5 per night would be self sufficient.

and local authorities who don’t see any value in the idea and worry about Travellers.

very true, and if you should visit the Gosport/Fareham area you would see the amount of money spent on building fortifications to hold these at bay.

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DavidKlyne replied on 02/03/2019 16:21

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:21

The danger of comparing the UK with European countries is that we have no tradition of Aire type stopovers in the UK. If they were starting from scratch would the French? Would they now provide Municipal Campsites? It's not only in this country that local authorities are feeling the pinch. Despite the enthusiasm for Aire type stops it is quite telling that no one, as far as I am aware, has started such a project as a commercial enterprise. OK I know a few more local authorities are more motorhome friendly than many others. If there was an area where the Club could help it would be in persuading other local authorities to make provision for parking of motorhomes during the day, let alone overnight. When the Club have the opportunity to expand their network of pitches they have to think of both motorhomers and caravanners. I can imagine a few raised eyebrows if motorhomers were seen to be getting preferential expenditure at the expense of caravanners who are still the majority of Club members. Those caravanners will see the conversion of waste points as sensible but the provision of separate Aires just for motorhomers I think they would be justifiably enraged! 

David

 

Rufs replied on 02/03/2019 16:35

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:35

Despite the enthusiasm for Aire type stops it is quite telling that no one, as far as I am aware, has started such a project as a commercial enterprise

perhaps not a big commercial enterprise, but i think i have read somewhere on this forum where some pubs are providing facilities, i guess in the hope that they will get some additional trade for meals/drinks  

SteveL replied on 02/03/2019 16:36

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:36

There are certain areas that would benifit from Aire type sites. However, for the CAMC to develop / run them, I think they would have to be accessible to both caravaners and MH's. Echelon drive through spaces, long enough for all rigs and with at 6 metre spacing should do it. One drive over waste grid, tap and toilet dump could be used by all. Site perhaps 20 to 30 units in size. 

I have no idea if such a facility would be economic. Particularly given the high land prices in many of the areas that would be most desirable. Especially if folk thought they were going to get them for what they pay over there.

They would still of couse exclude smaller campervans and trailer tents without facilities. Although this would be the case with existing non facility sites.

eurortraveller replied on 02/03/2019 16:49

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:49

Motorhomers without other transport will pay a lot for location.

Given the right location parking for motorhomes can be very profitable - this one in the photo is €45 (£38) a night. But this Club can't get the urban locations and is losing Baltic Wharf and Crystal Palace. 

Navigateur replied on 02/03/2019 16:56

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:56

I had a look at a new CL in Appin a few years ago when it had just opened and it has the parallel drive through pitches. £15 a night in the current system as 1906.

The view, however, is worth far more - unless it's raining!

replied on 02/03/2019 16:57

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:35 by Rufs

Despite the enthusiasm for Aire type stops it is quite telling that no one, as far as I am aware, has started such a project as a commercial enterprise

perhaps not a big commercial enterprise, but i think i have read somewhere on this forum where some pubs are providing facilities, i guess in the hope that they will get some additional trade for meals/drinks  

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replied on 02/03/2019 17:00

Posted on 02/03/2019 14:42 by StuartO

Members who have never toured abroad will have had no experience of  Aires de Camping Car, as the French call them, but take it from me there are a huge number of them and they are very popular.  Likewise caravanners (“tuggers”) will not have had the experience either because trailer caravans are not allowed to use them.  There are relatively few in UK and this is at leats partly due to the negative influence of caravan site proprietors who don’t want what they see as competition (including perhaps CAMC) and local authorities who don’t see any value in the idea and worry about Travellers.

CAMC has developed many services which only small sections of Members use so I reject the idea that nothing can be developed which doesn’t serve the trailer caravanners among Members is blinkered and selfish.  CAMC has now got lots of motorhomers as members and it’s about time the Club faced up to serving them properly as well.

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