So what did the Club ever do for Motorcaravanners?

StuartO replied on 02/03/2019 12:44

Posted on 02/03/2019 12:44

It’s a while now since the Club was renamed, to reflect that there are lots of motorhomers among Members - but apart from the name change, what has and does the Club plan to do to cater effectively for motorhomers?

Well there has been a programme of improving motorhome servicepoints, to provide drive-over grey water drains, but at the club Site I most recently stayed at there was no lighting at this service point (unlike the others) so using it after dark (and it was dark at 4.30pm that day) was a matter of struggling with a torch.  But I haven’t noticed anything else specifically for motorhomers and in response a suggestion that the Club should develop overnight parking stops for motorhome like the Aires on the continent, I read somewhere that the Club’s only response was to wonder whether a discussion about whether this was a more appropriate thing for the Government rather than the Clubs to be considering.

CAMC is of course a commercial operator of full scale caravan sites and jolly good they are too but these cater primarily for people who want to stay for quite a number of days, like caravanners do, while lots of motorhomers (certainly on the Continent) make lots of use of more basic overnight parking, to stay for one or two nights only and then move on.  Some motorhomers do use their vehicles like caravans and stay on a Site for a while but lots more enjoys their holidays by keeping moving along.

For holidaying in this mode motorhomers don’t need a toilet block, resident staff and manicured grass around them every night; on most nights they don’t need much more than parking, a supply of drinking water, a drain for grey water and somewhere to empty the chemical toilet.  CAMC should be just as capable of building good Night Halt locations as it is at building full scale caravan sites - and operating them profitably.  There are lots of Aires on the continent which charge good money (and use barrier entry operated with credit cards etc) as well as the free ones provided (as a tourist facility and an attraction) by many local authorities.

There may be an argument for local authorities to build Aires as tourist attractions etc but there is also, quite separately, an argument for CAMC showing initiative in building a network of Aires in UK as a service to it’s Motorhome Members.  I think a network of CAMC Motorhome Nightstops would compliment the network of Club Sites and serve to promote them too - for example each Night Halt could easily display advertising material about nearby Club Sites.  And motorhomers who use Aires also tend to use full scale caravan sites periodically as well, for example to have a ‘laundry day”.

Isn’t someone on the Club’s staff or committees already thinking about this avenue of development - and if so can we hear something about their ideas?

 

DavidKlyne replied on 02/03/2019 21:11

Posted on 02/03/2019 16:35 by Rufs

Despite the enthusiasm for Aire type stops it is quite telling that no one, as far as I am aware, has started such a project as a commercial enterprise

perhaps not a big commercial enterprise, but i think i have read somewhere on this forum where some pubs are providing facilities, i guess in the hope that they will get some additional trade for meals/drinks  

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:11

Not quite the same thing as being suggested by the OP. The businesses you mention have an eye to the main chance and hope to attract more customers to their establishments. Seems a sensible option. However they are not stand alone Aires which to be successful would have to at least make a minimal return on investment and I would suggest that would be questionable. The only way the Club could move in that direction is when they open a new site they could designate a area just for motorhomes. However if people think that would be a cheap option I suggest they think again!

David

DavidKlyne replied on 02/03/2019 21:16

Posted on 02/03/2019 17:56 by cyberyacht

Many municipals in France have either converted to Aires or done a mixture of sites with Fire attached.

In answer to DK's observation that no one, as far as I am aware, has started such a project as a commercial enterprise, There is https://campingcarpark.com/en/ which is a  French chain of Aires.

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:16

But the OP's point was that he wanted Aire type stops in the UK. As I said previously I do not know of any equivalents in the UK. As mentioned by Rufs there are a few pubs that offer similar facilities but the aim there is to provide an additional customer base for the pub. Does anybody know of a barrier controlled, with payment point, Aire in the UK?

David

JVB66 replied on 02/03/2019 21:23

Posted on 02/03/2019 20:17 by

Very true but when the time is right, and I won't be wasting my money I may rejoin.  I would however prefer sites less basic.  The standard CC Ltd site is nothing more than an F1 circuit ( I suppose to encourage speeding undecided), various types of pitches spurred off, a water and electricity supply for most, waste dump and a "facilities" block akin to the type found in car parks and older types of public buildings.  

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:23

And this post from one who was "really upset"when the club bought Bingham Grange which when we stayed, noted just how poor the site and facilities were compared to cc site gham

Tinwheeler replied on 02/03/2019 21:29

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:23 by JVB66

And this post from one who was "really upset"when the club bought Binham Grange which when we stayed, noted just how poor the site and facilities were compared to cc site are

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:29

Here’s a g for you, JV, and some spares. tongue-out

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replied on 02/03/2019 21:41

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:23 by JVB66

And this post from one who was "really upset"when the club bought Bingham Grange which when we stayed, noted just how poor the site and facilities were compared to cc site gham

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young thomas replied on 03/03/2019 07:40

Posted on 02/03/2019 21:16 by DavidKlyne

But the OP's point was that he wanted Aire type stops in the UK. As I said previously I do not know of any equivalents in the UK. As mentioned by Rufs there are a few pubs that offer similar facilities but the aim there is to provide an additional customer base for the pub. Does anybody know of a barrier controlled, with payment point, Aire in the UK?

David

Posted on 03/03/2019 07:40

Ive not been but is Canterbury run like that?

re more/less facilities....isn't the real point that more of us want more choice?

sometimes we just want to break the journey or briefly visit a town and have a minimum requiremnt for the overnighter?

sometimes we want to put our feet up after a week of touring and stay on a site for a few days enjoying a pool, bar, nice to sit out pitches?

the former should be anything between free and £10, the latter perhaps £20 or more.

yes, it's we pesky customers again, demanding what customers do...a really good, appropriate service in the right place at the right time.

I know we're a pain but that's the problem when we're always rightwink

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Posted on 03/03/2019 07:53

yes, it's we pesky customers again, demanding what customers do...a really good, appropriate service in the right place at the right time.

First of all you 'pesky customers' need to address the providers or likely providers. Not sure that the CC is the right target for that. There are some LAs that make some provision using their car parks. Chester does with a P&R and The Little Roodee car park. Others don't

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Posted on 02/03/2019 21:41 by

What rubbish.  You are such a defender of CC Ltd.  Prior to them taking it over it even had private bathrooms but the CC Ltd wardens could not cope with the cleaning in the allotted time so public lav style was installed.  Of course your first visit was post the take over so is your information just hearsay from biased CC Ltd employees?

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SteveL replied on 03/03/2019 08:13

Posted on 03/03/2019 08:13

the former should be anything between free and £10,

This highlights a point I made earlier. If folk are only willing to pay these sort of figures for a purpose built Aire, where is the incentive for an investor to put money in. It costs more in most cities to park a car for 24 hours. So why a barrier controlled facility, with water and waste provision, which is going to require at least minimal servicing, should be cheaper, is a mystery to me.

Any cash strapped local authority would have to be confident of a real return on investment. Not some vague figures based on increased spending in shops, bars and attractions.

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