Going Greener

Hedgehurst replied on 31/08/2017 18:04

Posted on 31/08/2017 18:04

This "saving money" section, with the wonderful "How to thrive on non-EHU" thread and some others, is ever more concentrating on such things as solar power, which is truly valuable and I'm not alone in learning a lot, for which I'm grateful to those posting here.

I'd like the CMC to start a new section devoted to issues of going greener, which is not necessarily the same as saving money, but often ends up that way in the long run. I'll ask them, but am not holding my breath!

Meanwhile I'd like to ask the collective wisdom and experience here: with Solar power already getting  a good airing,  what other ways are you aware of / already practising, which can help us with a more ecologically friendly approach to caravanning or MH-ing?

We're still only months into our caravanning career, so have lots to learn. I've already learned a lot which wasn't obvious at first sight, things which the website we're all on here certainly doesn't shout about, but there must be a whole lot more tips and techniques we're unaware of. I'm confident we're not the only ones who would like to make our holidays more eco-friendly, without wearing hair shirts.

I do realise the very idea of a box on wheels which you drag/drive round the country isn't in itself very green, and look forward to the time when cleaner, effective vehicles are more available and more affordable, but for the time being, I'm hoping for ideas of what's practicable now, please.

They can be high tech, or low tech, just things which work, and make a positive difference.

Thanks.

 

brue replied on 01/09/2017 16:40

Posted on 01/09/2017 16:40

I seem to remember the Poolsbrook site was designed with some eco credentials. How about a green rating for any similar sites and a mention of what these energy saving devices are.

I don't know how many sites have solar panels to supplement electricity, it would be interesting to know. I don't know how cost effective they are on sites?

Navigateur replied on 01/09/2017 17:09

Posted on 01/09/2017 17:09

"Greener" is not always what it looks. 

Why are batteries so expensive?  Well, they are made from things that need very big holes to be dug in the ground to get the materials, and a lot of water and electricity in the manufacture. So although their use is apparently green, there is a huge environmental cost in producing them. Then there is the unknown cost of disposal. Just throwing them back into a different hole inthe ground is definately NOT green, but who pays the huge water and power cost to recycle them?

"Mains" electricity is not green. A huge part of what is generated is dissipated in losses in transformers and transmission lines. A lot more big holes in the earth to get the metals to make them, and the environmental cost in producing them. The nuclear power stations are known to be costly to dispose of at end-of-life, but what about these huge "plastic" windmill blades - where will they go.

There are plenty more when one starts to look at whole of life costs and what is done to the environment go make things. It is all locked into the way our industrial society works, but does provide a lot of employment. Whatever we do for energy beyond the efforts of our own body has a down-side to it for the envoronment.

brue replied on 01/09/2017 17:40

Posted on 01/09/2017 17:40

I wouldn't disagree with you your comments Navigateur but at least energy production is beginning to come from less damaging and renewable sources.

replied on 02/09/2017 19:30

Posted on 31/08/2017 23:03 by SteveL

Compost bins, that's a good thought. I'm writing to the CMC to prod them about various measures on their sites, and this is a good one. If you don't mind, I'll borrow it and add it to my letter.

Please do. It is only the second time I have come across it. Both were in France. The other time on a site run by an English couple.

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Hedgehurst replied on 02/09/2017 20:55

Posted on 01/09/2017 11:32 by Boff

Methane is a much worse greenhouse gas than Carbon dioxide, about 30x worse I believe.   So burning waste methane (ie not natural gas) and converting it to Carbon dioxide and water is perversely a way of reducing its greenhouse potential.

 

Posted on 02/09/2017 20:55

Ah. That's where it's useful having better-informed people making comments. Thanks. smile

Hedgehurst replied on 02/09/2017 21:00

Posted on 01/09/2017 16:14 by NevChap

How about the C&MC starting to use electric golf buggies (or something similar) instead of diesel tractors for collecting waste bins etc like they increasingly seem to be doing on the continent?

All in favour of compost areas on site but unsure whether they would be used by members but certainly worth a try.

We have started using compostable refuse sacks for our rubbish rather than pure plastic. They are more expensive and tend to be only the smaller sizes at the moment but surely the way forward.

More use of solar and geothermal on C&MC sites for shower blocks where practical.

Limit (Ban?) use of awning heaters??

Recycle rainwater for toilet flushing in toilet blocks.

Dry toilets as used at Crossways C&MC site. As far as I know this is the only club site that uses them, but not sure why, as they seem a good investment.

As stated by many, a good post and well worth keeping open for suggestions and hopefully the club will consider some suggestions and members will get ideas for their own 'greener holidays'.

Posted on 02/09/2017 21:00

Yes to all of this! Still haven't written to the dear CMC, I've been busy with family - may I incorporate some of this, too, please?
I'm intending to say that some ideas I'll suggest are those put forward in this discussion, just so they are reminded I'm only one of a growing number.

 

ocsid replied on 02/09/2017 21:21

Posted on 02/09/2017 21:21

A significantly greener route the UK van makers should take is to build a much higher percentage of them free of early life water leaks, or in a manner that can tolerate leaking if they find that too challenging.

Then many users would not have to keep changing them and they build as many sapping up the world's resources.

Possibly just far too big an ask.

Merve replied on 02/09/2017 21:43

Posted on 02/09/2017 21:21 by ocsid

A significantly greener route the UK van makers should take is to build a much higher percentage of them free of early life water leaks, or in a manner that can tolerate leaking if they find that too challenging.

Then many users would not have to keep changing them and they build as many sapping up the world's resources.

Possibly just far too big an ask.

Posted on 02/09/2017 21:43

It's a nice idea Ocsid! 

N1805 replied on 03/09/2017 09:37

Posted on 03/09/2017 09:37

‘Going Greener’ is IMHO a lifestyle choice to be made by individuals/companies/councils etc which can at this moment in time be too costly to implement for many. Good luck with your letter writing campaign Hedgehurst.

NevChap replied on 03/09/2017 10:55

Posted on 03/09/2017 10:55

No problem, Hedgehurst, you can use any of the ideas I've put in my post. Good luck!!

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