CLs instead of Club sites

GTrimmer replied on 10/10/2021 13:40

Posted on 10/10/2021 13:40

Have a look - there are many CLs which offer EHU, showers and WC significantly cheaper than a pitch on a club site. Rarely (at present) more than £20 a night, most are significantly less .

Yes, you don't get 'street lights' , but there are hard standings in many and some are increasingly offering 'Super' pitches, and no infernal pegs either tongue-out

SteveL replied on 22/11/2021 12:55

Posted on 22/11/2021 12:21 by Cornersteady

Did you read the implied costs there PD at all?

The installation costs look to be around £1K for a CL

I'm sure you do do the sum and work out the cost for all the club's 10,000 pitches? I get £2 million pounds.

even ignoring the opportunity to implement changes when sites are being upgraded/refurbished.

I think that is just a non starter, you can't have one site on meters, or part of a site on meters, and the rest not in my view?

 

I think you will just have to accept that the club isn't going to install meters no matter how many times you post about it. 

Posted on 22/11/2021 12:55

I’m not particularly keen on the idea of meters, however if when a site was refurbished part or all of the meters were due for replacement anyway, the costs would be reduced. I would also expect some reduction for scale.

I also don’t see why one site couldn’t be metered, whilst the others continue as they are. Clearly there would be a price difference, as there are between different sites now. If we are going down the line of surface type booking, it would even be possible to do part of the site. You could either book a site with a meter or a standard EHU pitch. Again there would be a price difference.

cyberyacht replied on 22/11/2021 14:40

Posted on 22/11/2021 14:40

With the new "singing and dancing" booking syste, it would be nice to think we could get a non-EHU pitch so that those of us who are self-sufficient in energy are not subsidising others. 

Moderator comment: Post slightly amended. 

 

Cornersteady replied on 22/11/2021 16:05

Posted on 22/11/2021 12:55 by SteveL

I’m not particularly keen on the idea of meters, however if when a site was refurbished part or all of the meters were due for replacement anyway, the costs would be reduced. I would also expect some reduction for scale.

I also don’t see why one site couldn’t be metered, whilst the others continue as they are. Clearly there would be a price difference, as there are between different sites now. If we are going down the line of surface type booking, it would even be possible to do part of the site. You could either book a site with a meter or a standard EHU pitch. Again there would be a price difference.

Posted on 22/11/2021 16:05

Well maybe but I can't see having meters on part of the site or one site metered and the the rest no. I don't think that many people given a choice will not choose meters, not the typical club site user anyway. I have posted that not having EHU is a better option, or using any refurbishment money to be spent on things like solar panels. 

Anyway academic as it's not going to happen soon.

Post edit, missed off the not

Takethedogalong replied on 22/11/2021 16:07

Posted on 22/11/2021 12:55 by SteveL

I’m not particularly keen on the idea of meters, however if when a site was refurbished part or all of the meters were due for replacement anyway, the costs would be reduced. I would also expect some reduction for scale.

I also don’t see why one site couldn’t be metered, whilst the others continue as they are. Clearly there would be a price difference, as there are between different sites now. If we are going down the line of surface type booking, it would even be possible to do part of the site. You could either book a site with a meter or a standard EHU pitch. Again there would be a price difference.

Posted on 22/11/2021 16:07

I’m sure the Club didn’t install hook ups at every pitch when hook ups were first introduced, in fact I know that you could book the paddock area of Marazion without EHU back in the mid 90’s, so they had two separate areas. Might get complicated nowadays, so best idea if the Club was to meter, would be to look at a Site at a time.
They don’t refurbish every Site all in one go, so simply add introduction of metered pitches to whichever Site is next up for refurbishment🤷‍♀️ Some Sites, which are leased, such as the Racecourses, won’t get done anyway.  From Ted’s post, it sounds like cheaper options are coming on stream now as well.

DavidKlyne replied on 22/11/2021 17:07

Posted on 22/11/2021 17:07

Whilst the Club seem to recognise the issue of cost with regard to providing electricity on their sites they don't, currently, seem to be willing to change anything at the moment. Whilst metering could be installed site by site I imagine the Club would prefer to have a single standard across all sites which probably rules out the idea for the time being. They would also have a close eye on the acceptability of the idea of meters to members generally? Another factor is, not all, but quite a few sites are leased and as such always have a question mark over them in the long term which would probably put the Club  off making changes? 

I think CL's are in a totally different position as the use of electricity would usually form a higher percentage of the site fees so metering is an attractive proposition and the cost of installing for just 5 pitches could be recovered relatively quickly.

David

JVB66 replied on 22/11/2021 17:19

Posted on 22/11/2021 16:07 by Takethedogalong

I’m sure the Club didn’t install hook ups at every pitch when hook ups were first introduced, in fact I know that you could book the paddock area of Marazion without EHU back in the mid 90’s, so they had two separate areas. Might get complicated nowadays, so best idea if the Club was to meter, would be to look at a Site at a time.
They don’t refurbish every Site all in one go, so simply add introduction of metered pitches to whichever Site is next up for refurbishment🤷‍♀️ Some Sites, which are leased, such as the Racecourses, won’t get done anyway.  From Ted’s post, it sounds like cheaper options are coming on stream now as well.

Posted on 22/11/2021 17:19

As i understand sites are refurbished to diferent level on a 10yr rolling program as as many are leased it depends ,on the length of the lease as to what the club invest in the site

Takethedogalong replied on 22/11/2021 17:48

Posted on 22/11/2021 17:48

Makes sense JV. Mind they have had Marazion 30 years to my knowledge, and some of the potholes around the Site road are like old friends to us now. I posted a photo of the mini lake feature we enjoyed, back in September😂

JVB66 replied on 22/11/2021 17:53

Posted on 22/11/2021 17:48 by Takethedogalong

Makes sense JV. Mind they have had Marazion 30 years to my knowledge, and some of the potholes around the Site road are like old friends to us now. I posted a photo of the mini lake feature we enjoyed, back in September😂

Posted on 22/11/2021 17:53

How long has that site been on an annual lease? as with others in the same position very little would be ,invested ,

nelliethehooker replied on 22/11/2021 19:51

Posted on 22/11/2021 12:21 by Cornersteady

Did you read the implied costs there PD at all?

The installation costs look to be around £1K for a CL

I'm sure you do do the sum and work out the cost for all the club's 10,000 pitches? I get £2 million pounds.

even ignoring the opportunity to implement changes when sites are being upgraded/refurbished.

I think that is just a non starter, you can't have one site on meters, or part of a site on meters, and the rest not in my view?

 

I think you will just have to accept that the club isn't going to install meters no matter how many times you post about it. 

Posted on 22/11/2021 19:51

CS, it was also stated that retro fitting of read-only meters could be accomplished at about £20 per meter, which you omitted, and that would work out at around £200,000, or a tenth of the amount you projected. That sort of outlay could readily be covered by the saving in electricity which is an inherent outcome of the use of metered electric.

Hja replied on 22/11/2021 20:03

Posted on 22/11/2021 20:03

CholseyGrange said

"I stated that 'many' CLs are now metering (as we have done at Cholsey Grange CL since the outset) because a good proportion of the 600 or so in the Owners Group already meter EHU."

Sorry if I missed this further up the thread - but what is the reaction of CL visitors to metering on these sites?  Some refer to the Club needing to assess member reaction before installation on Club sites.

Personally, as I have said on another thread about CLs with meters, I think it is the right way to go. We used a CL which meters electricity earlier this year.  It is one of the Owners Group.  The owner seemed to suggest that visitors were more interested in their consumption than critical.

So I just wondered if there was any consensus in the Owners Group about the initiative.

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