Noseweight (again)

DippingIn replied on 12/10/2019 12:59

Posted on 12/10/2019 12:59

Hello All, absolute newbie with a question regarding nose weight.

I am very happy that my 'maximum' nose-weight is 100kg, this is based on car limitations, towbar max towing capacity, and the 5-7% ratio.  So I am happy with how the weight figure is achieved.

My question is - if it is the 'maximum' nose-weight, does this also mean 'optimum' nose-weight. 

We pack light and to be honest I am struggling to achieve 100kg at the nose with heavy internal items (empty waste tubs, awning, picnic chairs) over the axle where possible.  

Does anyone find that reducing the measured nose-weight below 'maximum' enhances stability and road handling therefore achieving 'optimum' nose-weight. I am aware that every combination of car/caravan will behave slightly differently, but I have a 2.0 Kuga AWD with Alddis Avante. I measure with the Milenco calibrated nose gauge.

I'm a little afraid to play with weights as I'm aware the consequences could be grave, however whenever I read 'do not exceed xxx kg' that's pretty much a warning to keep below that limit where possible.

Many thanks for any experiences or advice you may wish to share.

JP

replied on 29/12/2019 17:00

Posted on 29/12/2019 17:00

Agree in part. However if seriously light on the nose it is not a good scenario.

Freddy55 replied on 29/12/2019 17:42

Posted on 29/12/2019 17:42

Just my own (unqualified) thoughts.

I do feel that a caravans unladen ‘natural’ weighting plays a part, when it comes to stability. My previous Senator had a high unladen noseweight, around 110 kg’s. My current Challenger has a much more reasonable (imo) natural noseweight, around 65 kg’s. Even though the Challenger is around 100 kg’s heavier and slightly longer, it feels much more stable. Since I had my ‘snaking’ incident, maybe 25 years ago, I’ve always been very wary when it comes to speed and conditions. Overtaking on a downhill section is something I try to avoid, but so far the Challenger has behaved itself.

Lutz replied on 29/12/2019 20:41

Posted on 28/12/2019 22:37 by Cawsey

HI , Nose weight is usually only concerned with the towing vehicle . The max nose weights of couplings range between 75  Kgs   and  350 kgs for the AKS 3504 . max towing weight 3500 Kgs ..The towing hitches seem to range  around 150kgs  for nose weight .  The nose weight quoted is the Static nose weight  as you drive the vehicle the nose weight varies . I have never been able to find figures  for dynamic nose weights  from hard breaking to hared acceleration. I never load my caravan to max nose weight  always keep it at about 60 / 70 %  .I did tow with a Ford S max  max towing of 1800 kgs  ,my caravan is 1700 kgs  so some times on very hard breaking i seems to have a light steering wheel.Changed  my car  now .

Posted on 29/12/2019 20:41

If you wish to tow at 100km/h in Germany, one of the conditions is that the noseweight MUST be set at the maximum level that is technically permitted. Otherwise you are limited to 80km/h.

Instantaneous peak dynamic loads on the towball will probably be in the order of 8 to10 times the maximum allowable static load.

Geering replied on 19/02/2020 11:16

Posted on 19/02/2020 11:16

I am a newbie to caravaning and want to ensure I get the right nose weight (I am happy that I understand the correct figure)

I am looking at purchasing a guage but am torn between the Milneco or Maypole. The Maypole seems to be good value but am wary of buying 'cheap & cheerful' that cannotn be relied upon to give me an accurate reading.

Any thoughts or recommendations please ?

Surfer replied on 19/10/2020 14:43

Posted on 19/10/2020 13:14 by daveblasts

How do you measure nose weight with a twin axle caravan?

Posted on 19/10/2020 14:43

We bought the Milenco calibrated gauge.  Brilliant piece of equipment and accurate.  No faffing around carrying scales and pieces of wood with you

Vulcan replied on 19/10/2020 18:11

Posted on 19/10/2020 16:52 by daveblasts

Can anyone help? How do you measure the nose weight on a twin axle caravan?

Posted on 19/10/2020 18:11

Exactly the same as with a single axle.

hitchglitch replied on 19/10/2020 18:55

Posted on 19/10/2020 14:43 by Surfer

We bought the Milenco calibrated gauge.  Brilliant piece of equipment and accurate.  No faffing around carrying scales and pieces of wood with you

Posted on 19/10/2020 18:55

No need to take any measuring equipment with you. Once you have loaded the van and checked the nose weight at home there is no need to keep rechecking. In fact, when you get used to your van you can tell if the nose weight is about right by manually lifting. If you can’t raise the hitch manually it’s too heavy!

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