Noseweight (again)

DippingIn replied on 12/10/2019 12:59

Posted on 12/10/2019 12:59

Hello All, absolute newbie with a question regarding nose weight.

I am very happy that my 'maximum' nose-weight is 100kg, this is based on car limitations, towbar max towing capacity, and the 5-7% ratio.  So I am happy with how the weight figure is achieved.

My question is - if it is the 'maximum' nose-weight, does this also mean 'optimum' nose-weight. 

We pack light and to be honest I am struggling to achieve 100kg at the nose with heavy internal items (empty waste tubs, awning, picnic chairs) over the axle where possible.  

Does anyone find that reducing the measured nose-weight below 'maximum' enhances stability and road handling therefore achieving 'optimum' nose-weight. I am aware that every combination of car/caravan will behave slightly differently, but I have a 2.0 Kuga AWD with Alddis Avante. I measure with the Milenco calibrated nose gauge.

I'm a little afraid to play with weights as I'm aware the consequences could be grave, however whenever I read 'do not exceed xxx kg' that's pretty much a warning to keep below that limit where possible.

Many thanks for any experiences or advice you may wish to share.

JP

Lutz replied on 14/10/2019 09:19

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:19

It surprises me that your outfit seems to be so sensitive to noseweight changes. I tow an 1800kg single axle at about 90% weight ratio and, under normal conditions, I have found little difference in the way mine handles whether the noseweight is 50kg or 80kg. Only on downhill stretches do I notice a certain degree of nervousness if the noseweight is at the lower value, but even that isn't disconcerting..

replied on 14/10/2019 09:30

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:30

Mine certainly feels twitchy when unladen with 63kg on the nose. 1500kg MPTLM and when unladen with battery, mover a gas bottle probably 1350 (ish). Not frightening just twitchy. No idea what caravan you have would it be a continental with longer A frame? 

JVB66 replied on 14/10/2019 09:47

Posted on 14/10/2019 09:47

On a journey recently our van was not a steady as usual  (it was breezy )so put it down to that ,its only when unhitching on site i noted that i had been travelling without engaging the the alko hitch stabilizer surprised

rayjsj replied on 15/10/2019 17:08

Posted on 15/10/2019 17:08

My towing days are over now, but I always towed with the maximum allowable noseweight, usually 75 or 80kg. And always kept my speed down to 60mph especially on dowhill sections of motorway.And never ever put heavy items behind the caravans axle/ axles.

Saw plenty of overtaking units snaking, but thankfully none come a cropper, and never had a snake on my outfits in over 30+ years.

Twitching when being overtaken by trucks, I always steered slightly away from them when possible. To dissapate the Bow wave, Mainly used a Westphalia stabiliser(thats going back) which i moved from unit to unit.

Some of it luck, but a safe experience. Dont try to keep to tight timetables...drive safely.

 

TonyBurton replied on 15/10/2019 20:06

Posted on 15/10/2019 20:06

Don't forget you must also keep the load in the caravan within the max weight. Most modern caravan's have a small payload. My awning has to travel in the car as it would overload the caravan. I suggest you try to find a weighbridge when the caravan is loaded. You may be surprised how easy it is to be overloaded. I too have a Kuga. A great towcar.

Cawsey replied on 28/12/2019 22:37

Posted on 28/12/2019 22:37

HI , Nose weight is usually only concerned with the towing vehicle . The max nose weights of couplings range between 75  Kgs   and  350 kgs for the AKS 3504 . max towing weight 3500 Kgs ..The towing hitches seem to range  around 150kgs  for nose weight .  The nose weight quoted is the Static nose weight  as you drive the vehicle the nose weight varies . I have never been able to find figures  for dynamic nose weights  from hard breaking to hared acceleration. I never load my caravan to max nose weight  always keep it at about 60 / 70 %  .I did tow with a Ford S max  max towing of 1800 kgs  ,my caravan is 1700 kgs  so some times on very hard breaking i seems to have a light steering wheel.Changed  my car  now .

EmilysDad replied on 28/12/2019 22:48

Posted on 28/12/2019 22:37 by Cawsey

HI , Nose weight is usually only concerned with the towing vehicle . The max nose weights of couplings range between 75  Kgs   and  350 kgs for the AKS 3504 . max towing weight 3500 Kgs ..The towing hitches seem to range  around 150kgs  for nose weight .  The nose weight quoted is the Static nose weight  as you drive the vehicle the nose weight varies . I have never been able to find figures  for dynamic nose weights  from hard breaking to hared acceleration. I never load my caravan to max nose weight  always keep it at about 60 / 70 %  .I did tow with a Ford S max  max towing of 1800 kgs  ,my caravan is 1700 kgs  so some times on very hard breaking i seems to have a light steering wheel.Changed  my car  now .

Posted on 28/12/2019 22:48

you don't want to be breaking your tow car by braking .....  🙄

lornalou1 replied on 29/12/2019 11:34

Posted on 28/12/2019 22:37 by Cawsey

HI , Nose weight is usually only concerned with the towing vehicle . The max nose weights of couplings range between 75  Kgs   and  350 kgs for the AKS 3504 . max towing weight 3500 Kgs ..The towing hitches seem to range  around 150kgs  for nose weight .  The nose weight quoted is the Static nose weight  as you drive the vehicle the nose weight varies . I have never been able to find figures  for dynamic nose weights  from hard breaking to hared acceleration. I never load my caravan to max nose weight  always keep it at about 60 / 70 %  .I did tow with a Ford S max  max towing of 1800 kgs  ,my caravan is 1700 kgs  so some times on very hard breaking i seems to have a light steering wheel.Changed  my car  now .

Posted on 29/12/2019 11:34

99.9% of caravan hitches are 100kg max nose weight so 150 is way over. 100kg is max for hitch but if vehicle manufacturer states say 85kg nose weight then that is the max that should be kept to not the 100kg of the hitch.

replied on 29/12/2019 11:50

Posted on 29/12/2019 11:50

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derekcyril replied on 29/12/2019 16:38

Posted on 29/12/2019 11:50 by

I tow around 5000 miles a year and have done for the last 20 and have to confess I cant remember the last time I actually weighed noseweight. I carry heavier things in the the car and load the caravan as recommended  with heavy items low down and close to the axle and dont have any problems. I have also towed many thousands of miles with 2 bikes on the rear of the caravan again without difficulty. I feel instability is more to do with speed than anything else and doing most of my towing in countries where the limit is lower the unstable caravans I see are usually overtaking me when I get back to the UK and haven't taken advantage of that extra 10mph.

Posted on 29/12/2019 16:38

Agree , towed for 40 years ,also with artics , ( wish i could say 20 !! ) driving fast causes most of them . Seen loads over the years newbies .showing off ,signal slow down , get 2 fingers , down the road ,where are they ,jacked knifed

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