New and need advice

Will Webb replied on 27/06/2018 17:40

Posted on 27/06/2018 17:40

Good afternoon all

First post since joining, so please go easy on me smile

Firstly I apologise in advance for all of the questions; I've been reading so many different articles that I'm starting to doubt myself and just want a general consensus from the masses.

My wife and I are looking to purchase our first caravan; a Coachman Amara 560/6 2008

Our tow car will be a 2017 Mini Countryman ALL4 John Cooper Works; so a petrol 4x4

  1. Am I right in thinking our car and van combination is a viable one?
    The Mini's chassis plate weights are 2130kg (Gross Vehicle/MTPLM), and 4005kg (Gross Train).  The manual states a max braked towing weight of 1800kg.
    The caravans weights are 1284kg (MRO), and 1500kg (MTPLM)
  2. Am I right in thinking that the above combination would exceed the 3500kg limit on my driving license?
  3. Am I also right in thinking that if the above is correct, then I would need to take the 'Trailer Test' in order to be able to tow?
  4. As I understand it I can tow a caravan over 750kg in weight, on my post-2003 driving license, providing the total train weight is less than 3500kg, and the Gross Train weight of the car (4005kg)?

Again, apologies for the questions - I've just got rather confused by the lingo and rules

Thanks

William

 

Ps; I have tried to contact the technical advice line this afternoon and it's been unavailable.  The online matching system also doesn't list the Mini, so that avenue has been fruitless...

Robidoo replied on 02/09/2018 07:59

Posted on 31/08/2018 22:13 by lornalou1

its got nothing to do with bhp but the more you have the better. the most important is the weight of car to the weight of van. don't have van heavier than vehicle pulling it.

Posted on 02/09/2018 07:59

Yes I know that lornalou.

I was responding to the question about power only !

As per my first line I don’t know if it’s a match. 

 

replied on 02/09/2018 08:17

Posted on 31/08/2018 22:13 by lornalou1

its got nothing to do with bhp but the more you have the better. the most important is the weight of car to the weight of van. don't have van heavier than vehicle pulling it.

Posted on 02/09/2018 08:17

Presumably if you think that 'the more you have the better' you would seem to suggest that 'it' does have something to do with BHP

replied on 02/09/2018 12:35

Posted on 02/09/2018 12:35

One website I looked at recommends a maximum 1200kg. For the size of the car that is as big as I would go. 

lornalou1 replied on 02/09/2018 16:34

Posted on 02/09/2018 08:17 by

Presumably if you think that 'the more you have the better' you would seem to suggest that 'it' does have something to do with BHP

Posted on 02/09/2018 16:34

I think you know what I mean ETundecided

replied on 02/09/2018 17:24

Posted on 02/09/2018 17:24

I take it that you mean BHP is important but not the only considerstion

Lutz replied on 03/09/2018 10:10

Posted on 03/09/2018 10:10

The manual and the plate don't seem to agree with one another. 4005kg (gross train weight) - 2130kg (gross vehicle weight) = 1875kg, but the manual states 1800kg. Weird that because normally, if anything, the stated towing limit is greater than the difference between gross train weight and gross vehicle weight. Anyway, it is only of academic interest if you've ony got a Category B licence, which would limit you to a trailer with an MTPLM of 3500 - 2130 = 1370kg.

I don't want to get involved in any discussions about weight ratios because that usually ends up in needless debate. Suffice to say the all-up weight of the caravan should be as low as reasonably possible compared with the kerbweight of the car. With a gross vehicle of 2130kg, the kerbweight is likely to be around 1600 to 1650kg so a caravan in line with your B licence limit would sound about right. At a pinch I'd go along with the caravan that you have got your eye on, but of course that would mean having to do a Category B+E licence.

Cartledge replied on 03/09/2018 10:52

Posted on 03/09/2018 10:52

Aside from the weight issue, BHP is important yes, but (sorry to bring in another measure) but torque is more important. If your car is highly tuned (a Cooper marque probably is) and develops its best bhp at high revs, then it will not be good for towing. You need low rev "grunt" to tow properly. That's why diesels have proved popular with caravanners, as their engine speeds are low and their power is developed at low engine speed. 

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