Bikes on A frame and noseweight

Hastings campers replied on 09/06/2018 21:30

Posted on 09/06/2018 21:30

I would be grateful for some advice, please. We are considering getting a Baily Unicorn Cadiz. The nose-weight is 100 kg, and with 2 bikes on the A frame, plus the holder, it would amount to about 60kg. I don't want to overload anything, so would it be possible to pack the van in such a way that we can still be under 100kg, ie only "using" the 40kg allowance left. The gas bottles are not in the front. Years ago, I recall having a weight gauge and it read 50kg, which was the then legal limit in Germany, where we were based, and that didn't seem to be a problem. I fully understand about how to load - just whether I can get that gauge to read 100kg with the bikes. Hope this makes sense! Thanks in anticipation.

jennyc replied on 11/06/2018 09:05

Posted on 11/06/2018 09:05

We use a Thule roof rack to, having carried bikes inside the van, on a towbar mount before bar type approval. Points to consider with the roof bars though - when used with an SUV they can make getting the bike up/ down, quite a stretch. The crossbar clamping method isn’t recommended for carbon frames, for which wheel clamping is preferred.

MDD10 replied on 11/06/2018 15:37

Posted on 11/06/2018 15:37

We have 4 bikes and I looked at the options several years ago.  Basically if put on the towbar then it needs to be included in the noseweight.  As my car has a 90kg limit, I basically had 20kg left for e caravan.  

Bolting to the A frame ...not practical as already pointed out and ridiculous amount of weight being out at the rear of the van to balance.  Ended up with Thule roof wingbars and slide on carriers.  However, it only works as I’m over 6 ft tall and am strong enough to lift them so isn’t ideal for everyone.  

My new van does have the option to rear mount with the appropriate Thule mount but after having noseweight issues, as well as a measly weight allowance that isn’t practical to use

cyberyacht replied on 12/06/2018 21:10

Posted on 12/06/2018 21:10

There's a Dutch van on the next pitch with two bikes on the A frame, no end of awning furniture which presumably goes in the van somewhere pulled by a C4 Picasso. I don't believe its nose weight limit is going to be street legal.

MDD10 replied on 13/06/2018 17:48

Posted on 12/06/2018 07:29 by indoors

When height is an issue with boarding a ferry, you wish you hadn't got them on the roof. !!

Posted on 13/06/2018 17:48

I’ve never had a problem..even on an Smax they don’t exceed the height of the caravan and I have used both ferry and tunnel.  Still need to be strong enough to lift them up though and having fractured my shoulder a while ago I did feel it!

obbernockle replied on 13/06/2018 20:20

Posted on 13/06/2018 20:20

Have you considered a rear mounted bike carrier? Obviously this reduces the nose weight, but as the rear overhang of all caravans is much less than the front overhang, the nose weight is not reduced by anywhere near the rear loading. When the weight of a motor mover mounted in front of the axle is included in the calculation, the impact of rear mounted bikes is not so much as you might think. Calculating the change to the loadings is a simple matter, and much better than guesswork.  

Rushallmanor replied on 14/06/2018 15:24

Posted on 14/06/2018 15:24

I carry 2 bikes on top of the Sorento, total height 3m, never had an issue with ferry, tried most routes. It can cost a little more on some sailings. Currently in France used Brittany Ferries, no extra charge to increase from 2.6m (caravan) to 3.0m (car+bikes). Took them to Ireland last month, no extra charge.

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