Bikes on A frame and noseweight

Hastings campers replied on 09/06/2018 21:30

Posted on 09/06/2018 21:30

I would be grateful for some advice, please. We are considering getting a Baily Unicorn Cadiz. The nose-weight is 100 kg, and with 2 bikes on the A frame, plus the holder, it would amount to about 60kg. I don't want to overload anything, so would it be possible to pack the van in such a way that we can still be under 100kg, ie only "using" the 40kg allowance left. The gas bottles are not in the front. Years ago, I recall having a weight gauge and it read 50kg, which was the then legal limit in Germany, where we were based, and that didn't seem to be a problem. I fully understand about how to load - just whether I can get that gauge to read 100kg with the bikes. Hope this makes sense! Thanks in anticipation.

JVB66 replied on 09/06/2018 21:43

Posted on 09/06/2018 21:43

The max weight on the alko coupling is 100kg i would suggest you carry your bikes on a towbar mounted cycle carrier, if your towbar limit is above 100kg or inside the caravan if possible 

replied on 09/06/2018 22:23

Posted on 09/06/2018 22:23

The two bikes might weigh 60kg but will not impose 60kg at the towball. Depending on the actual location on the A frame may be 40 or 45kg. I suppose that using quick release on front wheels and seat saddles might allow removal to reduce weight further. Until the van is loaded it is difficult to be sure what you are dealing with but realistically you may struggle with two bikes I suspect. 

replied on 10/06/2018 00:19

Posted on 10/06/2018 00:19

An extremely good point Navi and one that I had completely overlooked. On occasion I have reversed into side roads in order to change direction. That would have been impossible. And some tight turns going forwards could well be a problem. Well said. 

SteveL replied on 10/06/2018 08:03

Posted on 10/06/2018 08:03

I would think it very difficult. Our U2 Cadiz tows best with about 90kgs on the hitch. To achieve this the only things in front of the axle are relatively light weight, such as the water barrels and waste master, plus kettle toaster and such like under the front seats. A plastic box with any heavy items from the over head lockers is also on the floor.

Therefore to offset a 60kg load close to the hitch would require something fairly weighty close to the rear. Plus probably not being able to carry anything, as we do, in front.

Also, as mounted on the A frame they are part of the weight of the van, I would have thought you in danger of exceeding the maximum payload, unless you carry very little in the van.

 

indoors replied on 10/06/2018 08:47

Posted on 10/06/2018 08:47

I'd suggest the OP looks at the fact that ( IMO ) most caravans he has seen such set ups would have been on none Uk caravans. A much longer A frame and possibly able to take the weight of two bikes in that position.

If I could advise my experience's of this, 

Roof mounted : Dirty bike on top of clean car. ?

Boot mounted : The weight of which dented my Boot. ?

Towbar mounted : Ideal if tolerances allow. !

A frame mounted : again ideal if tolerances allow. !

I have a in the past utilised all of the above and do still have a MAXXRAXX 4 bike rack that fixes behind a bolt on towball and can be used solo or when towing ( Tolerances allowing ).

Happy caravanning.

scoutman replied on 10/06/2018 12:44

Posted on 10/06/2018 12:44

Can someone more learned in these matters explain how a bolt on bike rack fits in with the type approval regulations with regard to bolt on tow balls?

hitchglitch replied on 10/06/2018 16:22

Posted on 09/06/2018 21:30 by Hastings campers

I would be grateful for some advice, please. We are considering getting a Baily Unicorn Cadiz. The nose-weight is 100 kg, and with 2 bikes on the A frame, plus the holder, it would amount to about 60kg. I don't want to overload anything, so would it be possible to pack the van in such a way that we can still be under 100kg, ie only "using" the 40kg allowance left. The gas bottles are not in the front. Years ago, I recall having a weight gauge and it read 50kg, which was the then legal limit in Germany, where we were based, and that didn't seem to be a problem. I fully understand about how to load - just whether I can get that gauge to read 100kg with the bikes. Hope this makes sense! Thanks in anticipation.

Posted on 10/06/2018 16:22

Based on my experience with a Bailey I would say that it would be impossible to carry that load on the A Frame. It would need a very big counterbalance at the rear of the van which could lead to problems with payload and stability.

We tried several options and ended up with two Thule carriers on the roof of our car (along with a wind surfer!). Funnily enough, we just got them out of the loft to sell on as we no longer have bikes.

onepjg replied on 10/06/2018 20:32

Posted on 10/06/2018 20:32

Navigateur is absolutely right.

I’d suggest a roof mounted bike rack personally.

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