Motorhome over 3m high

FireJohn replied on 23/12/2018 12:22

Posted on 23/12/2018 12:22

Hi, I have never owned a caravan or motorhome before and I am looking forward to many the adventures ahead, at home and abroad. I am purchasing a new motorhome in March. I am thinking of adding an AC unit but this may take me over 3m in height. I have been told that this will put me in a commercial vehicle category on toll roads on the continent. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? What will the difference in toll charges be?

Many thanks in anticipation.

replied on 24/12/2018 09:57

Posted on 24/12/2018 09:36 by KeithandMargaret

I know that A/C has it's benefits but we've managed very well without one.

It was heading up to 40 degs last year in France and we coped quite well despite the temperatures.

The extra height, weight and initial cost seem to out way the minimal benefits and trying the MH first to see if it is beneficial to you before you buy might be a reasonable option.

If you only travel in the UK I doubt if it's worthwhile, others may disagree, but you are more likely to need or use it abroad.

If you go over 3 metres high the Toll fees in France for Classe 3 are about 50% higher than Classe 2 and if you use Toll roads a lot that's a very big hike in price.

Some French and Spanish Supermarkets and urban Fuel stations have 3, or just over, metres barriers which can catch you out.

If I was you I'd see how you go without A/C before spending your money on one.

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KeithandMargaret replied on 24/12/2018 10:18

Posted on 24/12/2018 10:18

Going off topic a bit but with the reduced speed limit in France (80kph / 50 mph) the normal roads may be quieter but it does take a heck of a long time to get from A to B on them and the Motorways can speed up your journey through France considerably - but a price.

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peedee replied on 24/12/2018 13:43

Posted on 24/12/2018 13:43

I have read  the height sensors on the French toll roads check the front vehicle height and anything mounted further back is ignored. They do not check weight. My current vehicle is over 3m at the front so I have never had chance to prove the above but I only ever paid class 2 with my last 3.8 ton vehicle which was only just 3m high.

peedee

chasncath replied on 29/12/2018 15:32

Posted on 29/12/2018 15:32

What ever you do, please don't leave your airconditioning unit running all day and night, especially on a terraced site. You'll annoy the neighbours. If you need to cool down, go to SuperU or similar and enjoy some cool spray next to the veg, or hang around the chilled food sectioncool

chasncath replied on 29/12/2018 15:35

Posted on 24/12/2018 13:43 by peedee

I have read  the height sensors on the French toll roads check the front vehicle height and anything mounted further back is ignored. They do not check weight. My current vehicle is over 3m at the front so I have never had chance to prove the above but I only ever paid class 2 with my last 3.8 ton vehicle which was only just 3m high.

peedee

Posted on 29/12/2018 15:35

At an unmanned toll gate, you'll have to talk on the intercom, in French, to the remote operator to claim Classe deux.

peedee replied on 29/12/2018 17:02

Posted on 29/12/2018 15:35 by chasncath

At an unmanned toll gate, you'll have to talk on the intercom, in French, to the remote operator to claim Classe deux.

Posted on 29/12/2018 17:02

And it is rarely suceesfull.

peedee

Wanderbirds replied on 29/12/2018 17:23

Posted on 29/12/2018 17:23

It’s not just the motorway tolls you need to consider but the bridge tolls in particular as the mark up can be even higher as we found out with our old van which was over 3m. For example the Millay viaduct is 8.30€ off peak and 10.40€ peak for <3m and 36.70€ at any time for >3m.

There are a few small ferries which will not accept vehicles over 3m.

Envoy your new van whatever you decide.

young thomas replied on 30/12/2018 10:33

Posted on 23/12/2018 16:10 by FireJohn

Thanks for your replies Tinwheeler and Mitsi Fendt. I have 500+ kg payload and I will google.

Posted on 30/12/2018 10:33

John, which van do you have?

upplating to 3850 will give you an 'apparent' extra 350kg of 'payload', hence your 500+ kg comment...

however, if it's a Fiat,  the 3850 upgrade is only a paper one which incorporates the two axle maxima of 1850kg front, 2000kg rear.

so, physically, the rear axle still has the same limitations it had when it was plated at 3500kg...

the 'extra' 350kg can only be made use of if you have spare capacity on the axles and can spread it exactly to match that capacity.

in nor,al use, the rear axle is the most vulnerable, and if your van is over 7m (say) and has a ear locker/garage where all your stuff will go, each kg loaded will knock around 1.2kg off the payload....

so, it would be useful to know which van you have, any other heavy options....auto box, sat dish, solar panel, twin leisure batteries, etc....

also, the payload almost certainly include a full tank of water not the passenger.....around 175kg....

im getting a bit worried now.....your 'payload' at 3500kg would have been only 150+ kg ......if it's 500 with a 350kg upplate....

take out. 175 for water/passenger and your overweight...

ok, you have an extra 350 in ypur back pocket but on.y if the rear axle isn't already tight...

im getting the feeling this is a large 7.5m type van, upplated to make it 'work' in the brochure....

you need to factor in all your kit, from cutlery to bedding, clothes, tools, bikes, computers, leads, water kit, boots, pots, pans, plates, cups, bottles etc, etc....

a few more details please..... I reckon you need to weigh this van and pay particular attention to the rear axle loading.....

Tigi replied on 02/01/2019 19:20

Posted on 02/01/2019 19:20

Life is far simpler if you intend touring on the continent to stick to 3.5T and under 3.0m if you can manage with size and or payload.

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