Clean Air Greater Manchester

RowenaBCAMC replied on 01/10/2021 13:39

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Posted on 01/10/2021 13:39

Greater Manchester (GM) is taking action to improve air quality on local roads – now and for future generations.

All ten local authorities have worked together to develop the Greater Manchester Clean Air Plan. This will help bring nitrogen dioxide (NO2) levels on local roads within legal limits by 2024. The final Clean Air Plan has now been approved by the councils, following a public consultation and further development work.

It includes a Greater Manchester-wide Clean Air Zone, which is anticipated to launch on 30 May 2022. More than £120m in government funding will also be available to support eligible Greater Manchester businesses, people and organisations to move to cleaner vehicles before the Zone is introduced.

The Club will be making a representation on behalf of members, however, if members themselves want to get involved the more input the better.

Please visit Clean Air Greater Manchester for more information and please also share with anyone who might be interested, or visit the consultation here: https://cleanairgm.com/consultation

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Posted on 13/01/2022 10:57 by davetommo

For now yes. Do you honestly think that will continue. I dont

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JVB66 replied on 13/01/2022 11:48

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Posted on 13/01/2022 08:21 by cyberyacht

This whole thing is something of a knee jerk given the government's flipflop on vehicles over the past ten or twenty years. First it was buy a diesel and we saw a plethora of supermini's with diesels. Then there was the disincentive to upgrade to a newer vehicle (6D) with the introduction of punitive rates of VED on certain classes of vehicles. Now we have penalisation of vehicles that aren't 6D. Now, as a further disincentive, EV charger funding is being cut back.

Whilst the pursuit of clean air is to be commended (my grandchildren are 100m from the south circular), government policy has been less than helpful.

Posted on 13/01/2022 11:48

As with all things ,there is to much "Blue sky thinking" and it being implemented for short term chest puffing, instead of any long term thought for the future

I can remember when natural gas was found in the north sea ,and the government at the time ,said it was for domestic use only not industry, which enabled the closure of very high polluting gas works

Look where we are now ,

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davetommo replied on 13/01/2022 11:52

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Posted on 13/01/2022 11:06 by Whittakerr

I honestly dont know for sure and nether do you. I think during these times there are a lot more pressing things to worry about rather than speculate what might or might not happen in 5, 10, 20 years time.

Posted on 13/01/2022 11:52

Read AD’ post after your post and that sums it up. I am 90% certain the charging will alter and more will pay

davetommo replied on 13/01/2022 11:54

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Posted on 13/01/2022 11:48 by JVB66

As with all things ,there is to much "Blue sky thinking" and it being implemented for short term chest puffing, instead of any long term thought for the future

I can remember when natural gas was found in the north sea ,and the government at the time ,said it was for domestic use only not industry, which enabled the closure of very high polluting gas works

Look where we are now ,

Posted on 13/01/2022 11:54

Well said JVB

GEandGJE replied on 13/01/2022 12:02

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Posted on 13/01/2022 12:02

Interesting thread and many opposing opinions being made, but does anybody have any solutions that balance the climate & environmental issues, the needs of industry & commence and the needs of the community, of which us tourers are a small part. If we can't agree a solution here how can we expect local government, national government and multiple nations to do so.

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JVB66 replied on 13/01/2022 12:12

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Posted on 13/01/2022 12:02 by GEandGJE

Interesting thread and many opposing opinions being made, but does anybody have any solutions that balance the climate & environmental issues, the needs of industry & commence and the needs of the community, of which us tourers are a small part. If we can't agree a solution here how can we expect local government, national government and multiple nations to do so.

Posted on 13/01/2022 12:12

You are so right, there is to much self interest and not enough joined up thinking for very much to help the situation that we are in now, and not helping what future generation's will have to look forward to

Whittakerr replied on 13/01/2022 12:58

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Posted on 13/01/2022 11:52 by davetommo

Read AD’ post after your post and that sums it up. I am 90% certain the charging will alter and more will pay

Posted on 13/01/2022 12:58

And if the charge is high enough to be a deterrent then pollution will reduce. Result.

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 13/01/2022 14:10

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DavidKlyne replied on 13/01/2022 15:20

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Posted on 13/01/2022 12:02 by GEandGJE

Interesting thread and many opposing opinions being made, but does anybody have any solutions that balance the climate & environmental issues, the needs of industry & commence and the needs of the community, of which us tourers are a small part. If we can't agree a solution here how can we expect local government, national government and multiple nations to do so.

Posted on 13/01/2022 15:20

I suppose it will solve itself eventually when there are no longer any ICE cars on the road. Unfortunately that is a long way off and we have no idea how much further damage will be done in the mean time. It seems to me that the major flaw with the Manchester scheme is that because it doesn't include private cars its unlikely to make much difference in my view. The issue then is would the electorate of Greater Manchester be willing to accept the mass imposition of such a scheme? In London you can probably get away with it because of the public transport infrastructure. I don't know the Manchester area well enough to know how easy it is to get around without a car. I am sure I have heard Andy Burnham say that he wants all transport under his control so they can build a London like system so from that I assume it could be improved. The trouble with climate change everyone nods sagely saying something needs to be done but when it comes to directly impacting on their lifestyle they are suddenly not so keen. My suggestion for the Manchester area would be to have a series of small zones concentrated in highly populated areas, where there is more likely to be better transport options, and charge for everyone for entering those areas. David

Whittakerr replied on 13/01/2022 15:35

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Posted on 13/01/2022 15:35

The issue then is would the electorate of Greater Manchester be willing to accept the mass imposition of such a scheme?

There was a referendum in GM a few years ago regarding the introduction of a clean air scheme and it was thrown out by a massive majority of the people that voted.

My suggestion for the Manchester area would be to have a series of small zones concentrated in highly populated areas, where there is more likely to be better transport options, and charge for everyone for entering those areas. David

I think all that would do is create a network of rat-runs, on smaller more rural and unsuitable roads, with everybody trying to avoid the charge.

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