Poor behaviour.....Is it my fault???

briantimber replied on 16/10/2016 22:24

Posted on 16/10/2016 22:24

Welll, I have to say that I think that I've done Alfie a dis-service.

He is now nine months old and up untill two weeks ago he was really doing very well..........However, he has now started really ignoring me when off lead in the fields....It takes me an age to brng him back, running away from him works to an extent, but as soon as he runs back to me and I stop, he runs off again.....I have not lost my temper with him nor have I chastised him when I finally have him back and under control. At home and in the garden, he is as obedient and attentive as anyone could wish for. When walking on lead he is the same, stopping and sitting at kerbsides and road junctions when I stop walking, without me having to tell him. He also understands my command of "Wait", which I use when he is on a long lead, he stops and sits while I catch up with him.......I have used more praise than rewards lately, thinking that this would ensure that he returned every time hoping for a treat, giving him treats every second or third time he responded. I have not used our emergency recall out of fear that this may also be ignored, It has worked in the past to keep him safe........

At first I wondered if his behaviour was maybe down to his crown jewel removal four weeks ago, he wasn't allowed off lead for ten days 'till his stitches were removed...... I've thrown that idea out and put his new poor behaviour down to me.........I thiink that I've made the mistake of thinking that Alfie was trained more than he was, after all, he is still a pup really and as such, still needs positive encouragement constantly.  With this in mind, I am now startting from scratch again with him, giving him plenty of praise as well as rewards every time he does as I ask. I will not let him off lead untill I'm absolutely certain he will come back every time, as he used to. It's too dangerouse to do otherwise in my opinion, he may well run  off into a road, even taking other dogs with him, perish the thought. I have ordered a thirty metre training lead and will use this on our walks over fields and along bridle paths. Am I doing the right thing ? Any opinions would be read with interest and thanks.....Cool

huskydog replied on 17/10/2016 06:55

Posted on 17/10/2016 06:55

BT, firstly it's not you ,Alfie is trying it on !! ,and he's been with you long enough to work out what he can get away with ,training is a constant curve , yes the training lead is a good thing 

you will soon have him understanding you againHappy

brue replied on 17/10/2016 08:29

Posted on 17/10/2016 08:29

You'll probably need a couple of years Brian, a nine month old dog is still very young. Use the lead and try again in a spaces where you wont lose him. He'll gradually get the message. 

We have two dogs, a very obedient mongrel and a terrier who, when she picks up a scent is oblivious to any recalls, She is on a long lead nearly all the time now because she has also become deaf in her old age.

Hope all goes well.

JayEss replied on 17/10/2016 09:01

Posted on 17/10/2016 09:01

A nine month old dog is the equivalent in human years to a 15 year old lad

That should help explain Laughing

You've made a brilliant start with him so just keep going

HelenandTrevor replied on 17/10/2016 09:08

Posted on 17/10/2016 09:08

Agree with HD,  don't think it's your fault Brian, Alfie is still a young dog and training is on going. We used a long training lead and found it worked well. Our Collie's recall is good, but  if he spots a squirrel before we do, he chooses not to hear us. Wink Am sure you are doing all the right things,  hope it goes well.

DSB replied on 17/10/2016 09:12

Posted on 17/10/2016 09:12

I think it's just a question of perseverance, Brian.  Lizzie is our first dog and it took us absolutely ages to start with.  She's still not good at some things, but I know that is down to us.  The worst thing about her is that she has 'separation syndrome'.  We can't leave her at home alone, she gets very stressed and sweats so much from her paws that the bottom half of her legs can be soaking wet.  I think it's partly the breed.  She's good at coming back if she's off her lead, but even so, very rarely strays far from our side.

David 

spk replied on 17/10/2016 10:46

Posted on 17/10/2016 10:46

don't be too hard on yourself, its a dog and furthermore its now a stroppy teenager (as someone earlier mentioned) ALL dogs are capable of none compliance given the right scenario. Try having a cocker even my so called trained gundog has moments of deafness .

my dog never disobeys a command said no man ever.

get out to him pop a lead on frog march him quietly but firmly back to were you gave the recall command, give the recall command again and give the lead a slight jerk, give the command again. Take the lead off but not before telling him to wait or stay whichever your command is, back away from him five yards (if you can) then recall he should recall so give lots of praise and treat with food or his favourite toy. If he legs it when you take lead off get after him rinse and repeat.

Ps

udo you have a release command that you use to tell him to go play if not get one, the dog must know he is only off lead playing because you let him.

richardandros replied on 17/10/2016 10:57

Posted on 17/10/2016 10:57

Brian - I am by no means an expert since Meg, our Cockapoo, is my first dog.  However, what I will say is that in this last six months, I have noticed a dramatic change in her behaviour.  She is just coming up to three and whilst she has been reasonably well behaved, she was still 'having her moments'.  She has been coming back on the whistle (most times!!) since she was about 4 months old - but there were other times when she was 'as mad as a box of frogs' - presumably the spaniel bit of her breeding! - and I was getting so frustrated and blaming myself for not being able to exercise proper control. As I said - this last six months have seen a noticeable change in her behaviour and I would say that she obeys my commands for 99% of the time - whilst still maintaining that playful behaviour.  (I hate to see dogs that are 'over-trained' and have had all their spirit taken out of them). She knows that when I say "Meg - here" in a certain tone of voice - there is no room for argument and she comes back straightaway and I am sure that given time, Alfie will develop in the same way.

Kerry Watkins replied on 17/10/2016 12:30

Posted on 17/10/2016 12:30

Keep going Brian it certainly not your faul. Alfie is now getting to an age where he is trying to push the boundaries. Just keep training him as you have done and he will come out the other side. Scooby our 2 year old Labradoodle is still full if mischief and still pushes the boundaries. We still maintain our consistancy with her telling her what is not acceptible. She knows full well she is being naughty and she does it on purpose lol

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 17/10/2016 19:56

Posted on 17/10/2016 19:56

BT, it is youHappy. Not from any mistake but from Human nature. You are justifiably proud of Him, you took your eye of the ball. You thought He was trained, He ain't. You never stop training a Dog, it's just that after a while it only takes reminders as opposed to full on training. It's in a Dogs nature to push the boundaries, with maturity you click, He will understand & accept the rules. I had a Retriever who was the most intelligent Dog i've had. It took 2yrs solid training to get Her to act as I wanted. After that it was top ups, She was adorable. Good idea Mucker-back to basics. Don't take Him for grantedLaughing

briantimber replied on 17/10/2016 22:49

Posted on 17/10/2016 22:49

Thank you all for your varied and most interesting replies. I have taken on board differing points from all of you, it's so reassuring to have different views that are positive and constructive without being patronising.....Again, to me, this is what CT is all about.

Yes, Alfie is now a stroppy teenager, what threw me was the fact that at home and in the garden his behaviour was, and still is, very good. I think this is where I've taken him for granted, I've accepted his good behaviour as beng normal and not rewarded him for it, in doing so I've made myself less fun for him to be with, which has led to him looking elsewhere for his fun when out and off lead. This lack of reward has been corrected by me over the last two days... I now keep a bag of treats in my pocket all the time and reward him constantly for his efforts. Mrs bt said to me that my attitude to Alfie over the last two days has changed back to how it was when he was a young pup. I thanked her for telling me, not realising how I had been taking Alfie for granted... Alfie must have noticed that as well, hence his non  response off lead.....That was my first lesson learnt, one I won't forget.....Cool

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