Poor behaviour.....Is it my fault???

briantimber replied on 16/10/2016 22:24

Posted on 16/10/2016 22:24

Welll, I have to say that I think that I've done Alfie a dis-service.

He is now nine months old and up untill two weeks ago he was really doing very well..........However, he has now started really ignoring me when off lead in the fields....It takes me an age to brng him back, running away from him works to an extent, but as soon as he runs back to me and I stop, he runs off again.....I have not lost my temper with him nor have I chastised him when I finally have him back and under control. At home and in the garden, he is as obedient and attentive as anyone could wish for. When walking on lead he is the same, stopping and sitting at kerbsides and road junctions when I stop walking, without me having to tell him. He also understands my command of "Wait", which I use when he is on a long lead, he stops and sits while I catch up with him.......I have used more praise than rewards lately, thinking that this would ensure that he returned every time hoping for a treat, giving him treats every second or third time he responded. I have not used our emergency recall out of fear that this may also be ignored, It has worked in the past to keep him safe........

At first I wondered if his behaviour was maybe down to his crown jewel removal four weeks ago, he wasn't allowed off lead for ten days 'till his stitches were removed...... I've thrown that idea out and put his new poor behaviour down to me.........I thiink that I've made the mistake of thinking that Alfie was trained more than he was, after all, he is still a pup really and as such, still needs positive encouragement constantly.  With this in mind, I am now startting from scratch again with him, giving him plenty of praise as well as rewards every time he does as I ask. I will not let him off lead untill I'm absolutely certain he will come back every time, as he used to. It's too dangerouse to do otherwise in my opinion, he may well run  off into a road, even taking other dogs with him, perish the thought. I have ordered a thirty metre training lead and will use this on our walks over fields and along bridle paths. Am I doing the right thing ? Any opinions would be read with interest and thanks.....Cool

spk replied on 18/10/2016 09:05

Posted on 18/10/2016 09:05

glad to hear your back on track. Remember that dogs learn in context so just because he does X in one place / situation does not mean he will do the same X in another. When training the retrieve for instance we have to first train it in the garden with a dummy then in another location with the dummy then another etc etc before ultimately training the retrieve on cold game then warm game in different environment and situations again. Good luck I am sure all will be well as others have said behaviour once trained must be continually practiced and maintained.

Spriddler replied on 18/10/2016 10:58

Posted on 18/10/2016 10:58

I have my great pal, a 6 yr old rescue Westie terrier that I'm still training after 5 years. He has selective obedience and his brain in his nose. Off the lead on the South Downs and in woodland he's fine but insolently ignores all instructions in the garden.

We used a GPS tracker on his collar for a while which by using an iPhone we could see exactly where he was on an interactive map for peace of mind.

I started training him with small pieces of frankfurter but have managed to wean him onto tiny cheesey treats now, more as a habit-forming gesture than a real food treat.

With the offer of a treat he's anybody's, the tart!

 

Kennine replied on 18/10/2016 11:15

Posted on 18/10/2016 11:15

I have my great pal, a 6 yr old rescue Westie terrier that I'm still training after 5 years. He has selective obedience and his brain in his nose. Off the uulead on the South Downs and in woodland he's fine but insolently ignores all instructions in the garden.

We used a GPS tracker on his collar for a while which by using an iPhone we could see exactly where he was on an interactive map for peace of mind.

I started training him with small pieces of frankfurter but have managed to wean him onto tiny cheesey treats now, more as a habit-forming gesture than a real food treat.

With the offer of a treat he's anybody's, the tart!

 

Write your comments here...If anybody is using a GPS tracker to find out where their dog is. IMO their dog is not under control.

Until they  have built up respect and taught the dog what is acceptable and unacceptable behavior and at least the very basic recall command, IMO they should keep their dog on a lead for the dogs sake and the safety of other dogs and people.

Out of control dogs are a menace.

K

spk replied on 18/10/2016 13:10

Posted on 18/10/2016 13:10

I have to agree with kennine. If you need a tracker its way to far out. 20 yds at a push is my dogs limit

briantimber replied on 18/10/2016 20:51

Posted on 18/10/2016 20:51

I have to agree with kennine. If you need a tracker its way to far out. 20 yds at a push is my dogs limit

Count me in agreement with you both. At 20 yds Alfie is looking round for me to make sure I'm still with him. Well he did and will no doubt soon be back on track.....Cool

briantimber replied on 23/10/2016 23:10

Posted on 23/10/2016 23:10

Alfie update......

After 5 days training on a 30metre lead Alfie was responding well to my recall and getting properly rewarded every time with his favourite treat. Indeed, I have carried reward treats around in my pocket constantly and rewarded every correct action by Alfie. We have also used his tennis ball a lot more and he is really loving it. Previously he used to lose interest after a couple of "Fetches"

He has done so well that on Saturday I decided to let him loose again in his first training field. He did well, we played ball and hide and seek, every time he returned to me I gave him praise and a treat. We met a couple of other dogs, Alfie said hello, had a quiick play and then returned when asked, treated and praised every time. All going well I thought, as we neared the entrance gate Alfie ran off and out of the gate onto the cart track. U- oh I thought, I shouted "Alfie".....no response, then a voice called back to me "he's ok", out of site now I tried again..."Alfie"....Then he came running back and sat in front of me, boy was I pleased, I made a great fuss of him and gave him a few treats... Fantastic!!!....It turned out that the dog he went to see was his best friend Wendal who loves frolickiing about with him. We normally meet her two or three times a week. I chatted with Wendal's owner explaining Alfie's disobedience and what we have done to try and correct it, "well it seems to have worked " she said, "thats why we haven't seen you for a while, Wendal's been looking for Alfie". Saying our good byes we  made our way home.

Today my daughter and three grandchildren dropped in to say hello. They asked to take Alfie for a walk,"ok" I said "but you must keep him in control and treat him every time he does as you tell him"......An hour and half later they returned, "Alfie's been great" said my eldest grand daughter, "he's been off lead a lot and never ran off, we met a man with a big black dog, Alfie went to say hello, then came right back to us.....And yes we did treat him Grandad"......What more can I say???.....Pleased or what.....SmileCool 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 24/10/2016 08:34

Posted on 24/10/2016 08:34

Nice one BT. We need to retrain ourselves on occasions as you provedHappy. Consistency, consistency, consistency. Dogs love repetition, it grounds em & reassures them. You are building(not built yet) a supreme bond that will be there for His life, He will suffer just as much as you do when He can no longer see or smell you. You & He are forming a deep, giving friendship. It's a joy to read your postsHappy

brue replied on 24/10/2016 11:19

Posted on 24/10/2016 11:19

Our two dogs have both gone deaf in their old age, so a good tip is to make sure your dog sees hand signals when you do training. One of ours now responds to the hand signals although he can't hear us....but the other has to be on a long lead!

Takethedogalong replied on 24/10/2016 12:43

Posted on 24/10/2016 12:43

Welcome to the world of the stroppy teenage Dog BT! It isn't you, all the dogs we have had have gone through this phase. We now have a chocolate Labrador whose brain at times remains on the shelf at home, despite coming up seven years old. Perennial teenager, chocolate ones do have a reputation! Luckily he is a big soft lump, no aggression in him but that doesn't mean he gets away with things. We use the tone of our voice to indicate to him if he has done wrong, and make him do exactly as we want, making him sit and give us his attention before letting him run free. Lots of praise when he does get things right of course. Conversely, our yellow Lab was gundog trained, all heel, sit, fetch, down until we got her. (Never been beating though, so what was the point?)  Never had a toy, other than a ball, never did much in way of interesting walks or swimming, never played with another dog. All these she has learned in the last three years, and now has a full and happy life. They have been good for each other!

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