Woodburners.

Fisherman replied on 22/02/2020 16:34

Posted on 22/02/2020 16:34

Another excellent, stupid headline.NO proper burner would think of using wood that is not say 1) Hardwood 2) matured for 2/3 years, 3) stored dry. Why? because its that that produces heat. Now I can understand that a few "celebrities" have gone for wood burners in Urban areas and the rest have followed, but can you imagine these type having the patience to mature their wood. No chance it has to be instantaneous. Then the wet behind the ears politicians come up with a blanket ban., Just  plain stupid. That s the tip of the iceberg. What about the Bio Mass generators, using cut today softwoods and burnt tomorrow with no drying whatsoever. And here we are talking of 10s of thousand of acres per week being cut. The mess the harvesters make are releases all the carbon stored in the ground. Again wet behind the ears politicians thought bio mass was the environmental" answer. You could not make it up. Then factor in the so called pollutants from say the Australian bush fires and there is no hope for mankind. Never mind back to stoking my fire with another few  DRY logs.

replied on 23/02/2020 10:24

Posted on 23/02/2020 09:41 by Oneputt

This is interesting by the co founder of Greenpeace.  I make no comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQ6eZDXXRE

 

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:24

Thanks for that. It is the sort of alternative view that seemed to be drowned out by populist movements

replied on 23/02/2020 10:32

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:20 by JVB66

That is how the heat,  when we were kids ,got round our houses,coal fire in the "living room" which was an old black  range?with the oven along side and water boiled on  opened top of fire ,and the heat from the chimney kept the bedrooms warmer?surprised

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:32

With the added benefit of being able to draw on the ice inside bedroom windows in the morning. 

brue replied on 23/02/2020 10:34

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:24 by

Thanks for that. It is the sort of alternative view that seemed to be drowned out by populist movements

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:34

Until you read his views on glyphosates! wink

JVB66 replied on 23/02/2020 10:39

Posted on 22/02/2020 20:56 by DavidKlyne

I find myself in the surprising situation that I actually agree with something the current Government is proposing!!! It is a common mistake to look at things from the perspective that changes won't have any impact on world wide CO2 levels. But there are plenty of people in the UK who suffer from breathing problems that might be helped by a reduction in fumes from wood burning stoves. It has been something of a "fashion" in recent years to have a wood burning stove for no other reason than it looks quite chic. Not really a convincing argument to have one?

David

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:39

And that is after the "clean air act"introduced after the Smogs we had,  ,that when out after dark in the " real winters"surprised was a case of feeling your way home frown

brue replied on 23/02/2020 10:47

Posted on 23/02/2020 10:47

I think we've come a long way since we lived in blackened towns and villages, covered in soot and coal dust, breathing in winter smog and suffering all sorts of life shortening illnesses. I remember train journeys via soot caked towns on the way to bracing sea side holidays, Pontefract struck me as blacker than the familiar Birmingham where my grandfather ran a chemical works producing coal by-products and my Gt Uncle ran the gas works next door (both works owned by wealthy northern families.)

This is where my Mum grew up, with a nice view of the coal heap from the blackened back garden! 

Maybe the small step of getting people to burn more efficient and less polluting fuels isn't such a bad idea? smile

This is Nechells and the ground is still so polluted it can't be built on.

DavidKlyne replied on 23/02/2020 11:55

Posted on 23/02/2020 09:12 by Goldie146

We only use "fossil fuels" to heat our house - and it will stay that way.

An 70+ year old Aga - solid fuel - backgound heats the kitchen,cooks all our food (no other cooker or microwave), and heats the water.

A large woodburner in the "kitchen" (called the kitchen, but the only kitchen item in it is the Aga, it's a very large room where we live day to day).

A smaller woodburner in the sitting room (used for when we have visitors).

Upstairs is heated by leaving downstairs doors open.

 

 

Posted on 23/02/2020 11:55

Goldie

I think you have acknowledged in the past that you are relatively isolated from other habitation so your use of solid fuel is unlikely to have any impact on others. Different matter if someone in an urban situation decided to have a wood burning stove (when they have already got a perfectly efficient central heating system) just because it's the fashionable thing to do!!! There will be circumstances where burning wood is the sensible option but in populated areas it has to be questioned.

David

Takethedogalong replied on 23/02/2020 12:07

Posted on 23/02/2020 12:07

It’s nothing like a blanket ban. Just to try and stop the sale and use of polluting coals and undried logs. Any sensible owner of a stove, wood burning or multi fuel knows the harm that burning such stuff does to the stove as well as the environment. They have become a chic, must have addition for a lot of folks, and I am sure some of them might not have a clue about what they are burning and the harm it might be doing. But properly stored, matured, dried wood isn’t too big an issue, nor are the smokeless fuels. We sweep our chimney regularly, and get nothing out of it to be honest, unlike the days I can recall in my childhood where the pile of soot was huge!

The ban on coal and wet logs is good. We are having two massive beech trees reduced tomorrow, all will be recycled by us. Wood dried and stored, it won’t be touched for a year. Small branches chipped for garden.

London....yep, I’d ban them there. It sits in a geographic bowl, stewing in its own pollution. And I doubt there’s enough local wood to source, dry and store. 

DK, I can assure you that an efficient stove will warm a house through if you get the flows right. Our bills are nothing like our neighbours who use gas and electric heating. We light ours in the evening, and it warms the whole house, certainly the rooms we are using. 🙂

 

cyberyacht replied on 23/02/2020 12:07

Posted on 23/02/2020 12:07

I don't quite get the idea that wood burning is climate neutral. I thought the idea of planting trees is to suck up the CO2. Burning trees rather defeats the objective does it not?

Oneputt replied on 23/02/2020 12:19

Posted on 23/02/2020 12:19

Our house is of solid construction I.e, no cavity wall so is inherently cold.  This means that a wood burner isn’t a luxury fashion accessory it’s is a way of reducing our gas bills. Our electric bill is also reduced by our solar panels.  Our solar panels pay for all our heating, lighting etc costs with a some left over for holidays

replied on 23/02/2020 12:31

Posted on 23/02/2020 12:07 by cyberyacht

I don't quite get the idea that wood burning is climate neutral. I thought the idea of planting trees is to suck up the CO2. Burning trees rather defeats the objective does it not?

Posted on 23/02/2020 12:31

Not at all - in an ideal world. The growing tree captures CO2. Burning releases for the next tree. 

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