Mining/Fracking - old and new

ValDa replied on 17/12/2015 18:48

Posted on 17/12/2015 18:48

Anyone else watching Look North, and been astounded by two news items, one after the other.  The first dealt with the closure of the last coal mine in Yorkshire, and the import of coal from overseas to run Drax powerstation.  The very next news item was about 'Fracking' in North Yorkshire.

It seems incongruous, that an energy source, with the infrastructure already in place, is being supplanted by a 'prospective' energy source, with new infrastructure needing to be investigated, developed and installed!  It appears that shale oil and gas, even with the cost of development and new infrastructure, will be cheaper than the old coal which is just sitting underground, with a team of redundant miners who are more than willing to continue.

How can this be?

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 18/12/2015 14:56

Posted on 18/12/2015 14:56

Nope, I'm telling Oneputt that the Gas storage Caverns within East Yorkshre stretch below my property Ivor.

kenexton replied on 18/12/2015 18:40

Posted on 18/12/2015 18:40

I think we have people from the UK involved in mining all over the world so the skills could be re-deployed. I think the mining techniques will probably change too as in many other industries. It is sad to see the end of this part of the industrial revolution, the steel industry has suffered too, but there will always be new developments. At least we haven't mined out all of our stocks for future generations to use if needed. 

Write your comments here...I think you would find your viewpoint would be met with derision in South Yorkshire and Teeside."Sad" is rather an understatement,Brue."New developments"means Retail Parks in current parlance-so consumer debt is the new coal which powers the UK economy?Insanity  is a more apt word than sad.

brue replied on 18/12/2015 18:50

Posted on 18/12/2015 18:50

Strong words Kenexton, we all have different viewpoints. It is sad to see an industry closing down and that's how I feel. By new developments I am talking about energy research that is being done now but will take time to come down the line, please don't twist my words.

kenexton replied on 18/12/2015 19:08

Posted on 18/12/2015 19:08

Strong words Kenexton, we all have different viewpoints. It is sad to see an industry closing down and that's how I feel. By new developments I am talking about energy research that is being done now but will take time to come down the line, please don't twist my words.

Write your comments here...I have no doubt I shall,please Heaven,begin to be more beforehand with the world,and to live in a perfectly new manner,if-if in short anything turns up:Mr Mickawber.Brue,I wish I shared your half full view of the economic outlook but having grown up by the SY coalfield and worked in the area and given the depressed state of the town's and villages around me -I struggle to share your view point.Sorry I this comes across as harsh but there it is...

Takethedogalong replied on 18/12/2015 19:22

Posted on 18/12/2015 19:22

Ken, you have to live here to understand. A truly sad day for our area, our country and our history. We now own little, make little, grow little, a sad state of affairs. My heart bleeds for all those poor foreign miners, working in appalling conditions, at young ages, where life is cheap and safety not a priority.

Spriddler replied on 18/12/2015 19:57

Posted on 18/12/2015 19:57

To return to the fracking issue I well recall the politicians telling us that with more than 100 yrs worth of North Sea oil and gas our heating, fuel and electricity will cost virtually nothing.

As they say: If it seems too good to be true.......................... then it must be a politician talking.

Oneputt replied on 18/12/2015 21:21

Posted on 18/12/2015 21:21

North Sea gas has been producing continually since 1969 and since that time our population has risen by approx 10 million and our energy usage had multiplied out of sight.  We are still producing vast quantities and as technology changes and improves no doubt we will continue to produce well into the 2030's

SteveL replied on 18/12/2015 22:56

Posted on 18/12/2015 22:56

Many renewable, like tidal, have massive environmental and ecosystem wide implications.  If they were easy, effective, reliable they would have been done already!!!

I have never been entirely sold on the above statement. A barrage across the Severn estuary has been proposed several times over the years and would generate vast quantities of power. Yes there would be implications, the bore would disappear and migrating species such as Salmon and elvers would need to be catered for. However, the tide would still come in and out twice a day, just through turbines. Of course such a barrage could be used to limit flooding, as on the Thames, although that too would have ecosystem implications.

crannman replied on 19/12/2015 19:23

Posted on 19/12/2015 19:23

it would be interesting to see how many MP's lords and ladys have got interests in the fracking companys ? Also how can it be cheaper and more greener to ship coal from all over the world and what happens when the cheap coal goes up in price

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