e scooters

Mike Abbott replied on 24/08/2021 20:56

Posted on 24/08/2021 20:56

Just a quick question relating to E Scooters ? I am a concerned member regarding the use of E scooters on sites ? As a member we should only be doing 5 mph around sites when driving a vehicle and also fully insured ? wondering what the Clubs veiws are on the use of E scooters doing 25 mph plus ! around sites ? also the damage liabilty & insurance issues in the event of an accident or injury to persons or posessions ie vehicles, caravans, and awnings etc ?

Tinwheeler replied on 25/08/2021 15:40

Posted on 25/08/2021 15:23 by Mike Abbott

Hi Nellie The honest answer is No i didn't speak to the wardens on site as it was pointles as they were riding past the office and their accomodation units also the would have seen them whilst cleaning the 2 toilet blocks ? Regards Mike !

Posted on 25/08/2021 15:40

Perhaps you need to approach the club and point out the inaction of the wardens.

JillwithaJay replied on 25/08/2021 19:02

Posted on 25/08/2021 19:02

Can't recall where but I'm sure I've seen something (in writing) very recently that stated that e-scooters were not permitted to be ridden on club sites.  Will see if I can find it.  

Goldie146 replied on 25/08/2021 20:37

Posted on 25/08/2021 19:02 by JillwithaJay

Can't recall where but I'm sure I've seen something (in writing) very recently that stated that e-scooters were not permitted to be ridden on club sites.  Will see if I can find it.  

Posted on 25/08/2021 20:37

double post - Deleted User by me

nelliethehooker replied on 25/08/2021 20:45

Posted on 25/08/2021 15:23 by Mike Abbott

Hi Nellie The honest answer is No i didn't speak to the wardens on site as it was pointles as they were riding past the office and their accomodation units also the would have seen them whilst cleaning the 2 toilet blocks ? Regards Mike !

Posted on 25/08/2021 20:45

Well if it concerned me so much I would have queried with the warden whether or not they were allowed to travel at those speeds through the site. Depending on his response I would certainly have taken the matter further if not satisfied with it.

nelliethehooker replied on 25/08/2021 20:49

Posted on 25/08/2021 20:35 by Goldie146

Posted on 25/08/2021 20:49

Definitely says that e scooters are not allowed on site.

"Bikes, scooters and skateboards
Bikes, scooters and skateboards are allowed, but we ask you to keep your speed down to walking pace on the site and to be aware of uneven surfaces. Please follow the site's one-way system.
Please refer to Club Site Rule 13 for information on road safety.
For the safety and consideration of others, we don't allow the use of petrol or electric scooters on site."

SteveM replied on 29/08/2021 11:46

Posted on 29/08/2021 11:46

Interesting to see other members airing their concerns. We were on a site last week and not for the first time noticed an increase in numbers of E scooters, not in the same numbers as E bikes though. The majority by far were being used by children and I don't recall seeing any wearing helmets. Like other members here, we are concerned about what happens if a youngster loses control and ends up seriously hurting themselves, other members and members' cars and caravans etc. Ok, this could happen if someone loses control of their pedal cycle etc but a motorised form of transport is likely to do more harm/damage. As the Club has forbidden their use on site, maybe a message could go out to all members emails and the magazine pointing this out for everyone's safety? 

nelliethehooker replied on 29/08/2021 20:45

Posted on 29/08/2021 20:45

And also a memo to site wardens pointing out the fact that they are banned, as per Club Site Rule 13, and informing them that they should ensure that all users are stopped from using them on site. 

Bluemalaga replied on 27/09/2021 21:17

Posted on 27/09/2021 21:17

There is a very sad article on the UK BBC news web page today regarding the tragic death of a 20 year old, due to the illegal use of an e-scooter. 

Even though the use of private scooters can only be used on private property, the article had a number of points worth noting. 

It was commented that helmets should become mandatory.

The scooter was bought online, therefore illegal on public roads, pavements etc.

The most powerful scooters available online are capable of 68 mph. ( from one of the links)

What is the law on e-scooters?
E-scooters can only be used on public roads if rented as part of a government-backed trial
Private owners of e-scooters can only use them on private land and not public roads, cycle lanes or pavements
To use an e-scooter from an official trial, you need to have category Q entitlement on your driving licence
Cycle helmets are recommended for e-scooter riders, but not legally required
Inappropriate use of e-scooters could lead to riders having it seized, having their accounts to hire one suspended, being prosecuted or fined,

Are they dangerous?
The exact number of crashes involving e-scooters is said to be under-reported however Ch Supt Simon Ovens from the Met Police said the numbers were increasing "sharply".

 

Questions in my mind following the above article and original post is:-

Why do parents allow their children the illegal and dangerous use of these scooters.

If the scooters are not legal and not permitted on club sites, why do members take them to club sites.  

Why do schools allow students to ride them to and from school

More importantly why do the police take no action and why are they available so readily.

 

 

 

 

 

Wherenext replied on 27/09/2021 21:46

Posted on 29/08/2021 11:46 by SteveM

Interesting to see other members airing their concerns. We were on a site last week and not for the first time noticed an increase in numbers of E scooters, not in the same numbers as E bikes though. The majority by far were being used by children and I don't recall seeing any wearing helmets. Like other members here, we are concerned about what happens if a youngster loses control and ends up seriously hurting themselves, other members and members' cars and caravans etc. Ok, this could happen if someone loses control of their pedal cycle etc but a motorised form of transport is likely to do more harm/damage. As the Club has forbidden their use on site, maybe a message could go out to all members emails and the magazine pointing this out for everyone's safety? 

Posted on 27/09/2021 21:46

As a matter of interest something similar to your concerns happened to us whilst we were on holiday with the caravan in Germany.

A Quad bike driven by a 14 year old young lady careered off the pavement and headed straight for our caravan hitting the nearside front passenger door head on. We were in the caravan at the time and on a campsite and merely heard the bang and screams of the young lady's friends. Very, very fortunately she only suffered minor injuries. The door was badly dented but usable and we exchanged insurance details with the parents of the girl. The family's household insurers, Zurich, eventually settled my out of pocket expenses, the excess, and my own motor insurer was also reimbursed.

I was rather surprised at the fact that the household insurer picked up the liability as most household insurance policies tend to exclude anything to do with motorised accidents.

It would be interesting to see if UK insurers were similarly inclined if something happened with an e-scooter. I would hope these machines are insured separately but don't know anyone with one to ask.

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