Are drivers mental or what ?

Admiral, my OH would agree with you whole heartedly,  he says the same thing every time we go out in poor conditions/visability.Mind you he isn't as polite as you!  when he says it.

Yes we agree as well.  Some drivers have no idea how to use their lights (if they use them at all)  Then there are the cars that are made these days without any indicators

Add to that list of Pillocks the Drivers who leave their rear fog lights on when its not foggy!  Don't they realise the danger of dazzling following drivers?  The bulb wattage in fog lights is at least as high if not higher than brake lights, so following drivers may well not only be dazzled but also not see your brake lights when you really need them to do so!  It is especially dangerous at night in wet conditions!  The direct cause of several fatal accidents!

TF

Yes we agree as well.  Some drivers have no idea how to use their lights (if they use them at all)  Then there are the cars that are made these days without any indicators

Write your comments here...I think these are what are now known as "Optional Extras" in the same way as spare tyres are.

Followed a police car up to a junction yesterday and he didn't appear to have indicators until he started to turn left, suddenly an indicator started to work. Not just ordinary motorists that don't indicate till last minute.

 The Scandinavian manufacturers started fitting permanent lights many years ago but mind you they are in the lands of almost perpetual daylight darkness during winter months. Read an article many years ago about how much extra fuel world wide would be used if all cars were fitted with daylight running lights. The answer to this question was an incredible amount, can't remember the exact figures but it surprised me. This is particularly pertinent today when you consider the engineers are attempting to squeeze out the very best mpg figures as possible. Yes, lights are useful, particularly in low light levels but what has happened to common sence and we drivers taking the responsibility to turn them on and off when needed! Better still, like my car, many vehicles do this automatically when light levels drop to lower levels! All we have to do is select 'auto' mode!

I have this forum to thank for making me realise I might not have rear lights as well as front ones! That is crackers Mitsubishi should do better.   However I do have the automatic ones that turn on in bad conditions - even though I occasionally override that facility and put them on sooner.  What happened to Be Seen - Be Safe?  I lived in Scotland for a while and they seemed worse  - we used to joke that perhaps the drivers thought it cost them to put their lights on! 

If you add all that's been said here to all the comments on pedestrians on the 'invisible' thread it seems we all ought to be taking care to 'be seen - be safe' as Pippa says

Should we all have to take a driving test when we reach a certain age

I have travelled on the M4 today and covered about 140 miles in atrocious conditions, heavy rain, spray,poor visibility, every other car or so did not have their headlights on, in fact most did not have ANY lights whatsoever, and as for the pillocks who have their nice bright LED front lights on so they can see where they are going, don't realise they have no rear lights, so you cannot see them in poor visibility and spray.If you flash them as you pass they only stick two fingers up and on occasions only one !!

IMO, all cars should have permanent headlights and rear light running lights a la Volvo and my BMW.

Now Iv'e got that off my chest I am going for a lie down.

Admiral

No matter how many lights of whatever lumens are displayed by your vehicle, it will not improve the competance of the a'hole in front or behind you. Just take extra care.  feel sorry for them.

PS weather couldnt have been that bad as you were able to flash at them and they were able to wave back in a jolly way with two or on fingers.