We need more basic facility sites

harryb replied on 29/08/2022 21:08

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:08

With the mention of the closure of High Onn and given that the club seem fully intent on pressing forward with the expansion to full facility sites by upgrading with serviced pitches, and different forms of self catering in glamping, yurts, pods and even airstream caravans etc it seems that those members who are on a more limited budget or even those who just prefer basics, are getting left behind. You might say we can use the cl system and that’s exactly what is happening. This is showing there is a demand by the number of fully booked cl’s. So why can’t the club come down to the more basic forms of caravanning and find and expand this type of site within the network. There are big gaps in the geographical area of the UK that could be opened up by developing this type of site. No doubt there would be an initial outlay but nowhere near the scale of that of a large scale flagship type site. The basic sites in the network now are priced at £17 (£18 from next year) and this comes in on a par with basic cl’s. There are thousands of members who would jump at the chance of this type of site being run under the club banner. The following counties are lacking in club sites, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Norfolk and Suffolk, amongst others, would benefit from this type of site

This is how caravan sites started off please don’t allow them to die.

 

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peedee replied on 30/08/2022 07:59

Posted on 30/08/2022 07:59

When the club puts in SP, glamping cabins, guess what they well used what does that tell the club?

It tells them they have an elderly clientele who want an easier life.

peedee

brue replied on 30/08/2022 08:10

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:57 by Cornersteady

I know I've posted this before but in the first weekend in March there were more outfits on service pitches than standard pitches, 40 v 35, again the same pattern repeated in mid June with SP fully occupied with under ten standard pitches empty. The same pattern in other sites that have SP. When the club puts in SP, glamping cabins, guess what they well used what does that tell the club? 

Which pitches go first on sites with a choice as at present? HS or grass?

High Onn is closing as it's underused we're told, if you want a pitch at short notice then try on basic sites, again what does that tell the club?

Limited budget? As I've said before the club is sadly not a charity, it's fact of life.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted on 30/08/2022 08:10

That may be the case on the sites you visit but we use all sorts of sites and the more basic sites eg grass can be just as popular. I'm wondering if it's an unpopular location that eventually closes sites? Although I think many love some of the smaller sites. I tend to agree with TDA'S comments, sadly.

young thomas replied on 30/08/2022 08:47

Posted on 29/08/2022 22:15 by Takethedogalong

Harry, I asked the question about basic no facility Sites at the AGM last year. The Club’s answer was use CLs.

They don’t care about anyone looking to tour on a reasonable budget, the money is made on the all singing, all dancing sites, so that’s where things are heading. Folks are happy to pay whatever the Club deems the going rate for these type of Sites, so nothing will change. 

Posted on 30/08/2022 08:47

I agree, the 'Club' brand is being taken higher up market, with each redevelopment adding more of what TDA alludes to...

that's all well and good, for those who wish to be taken along with this vision and can afford to make that journey.

however, whilst the Club isn't a charity (as we are so often reminded) it has a large element of the membership that are touring on fixed (perhaps dwindling) incomes. Prices edging towards £50 a night (there never seems to be a low season, these days) are a long way beyond the means of many who still wish to tour.

I would also recommended CLs to those who feel Club prices are now getting out of reach, however many member are used to a 'club formula' and may be a bit apprehensive as to what they might get at a CL...

Without basic (no facs) type sites on offer the club loyalty will be stretched, pay up or try something different...or tour less or even give up...all a bit sad.

there are sites out there, lovely ones, that still offer wonderful value. The site we are on now is a 'proper' campsite with facs, incl EHU and is £21 a night. Only about 25 vans. A delight.

I would also suggest to those finding Club sites beyond their reach that they try Temporary Holiday Sites (THS) with the C&CC. these offer a more basic approach, no facs, no EHU camping but are often sited close to towns (no driving) and are usually around £10-£12 a night.

there are cheaper options out there but it looks like they won't be on offer from the club as they look to drive the brand further upmarket.

brue replied on 30/08/2022 08:49

Posted on 30/08/2022 08:49

I feel I want to add this is a membership organisation and I'd like to think the members aren't ignored in their views. Providing a variety of sites is one important view.

Cornersteady replied on 30/08/2022 10:17

Posted on 30/08/2022 07:59 by peedee

When the club puts in SP, glamping cabins, guess what they well used what does that tell the club?

It tells them they have an elderly clientele who want an easier life.

peedee

Posted on 30/08/2022 10:17

Just not true, I think your view is based on the fact that you use club sites only in term time.  If like myself and others you would have noticed that they are all used by young families as well. In fact in summer it's mainly young families. 

Actually glamping cabins are mainly used by young families, very rarely by the elderly. 

EmilysDad replied on 30/08/2022 10:39

Posted on 29/08/2022 21:42 by Simon100

How do you know that there are 'thousands of members' who would jump at this type of site?

It could be that there are 'thousands of members' who have indicated that there should be more fully serviced pitches and the club is aiming to fulfill this request.

Have you considered sites other than those operated by the club? They might more fully provide for what you are looking for.

 

Posted on 30/08/2022 10:39

I am the only caravan on the only row of about 10 standard grass pitches, the rest are motorhomes of various sizes. There are loads of empty gravel pitches around ..... I've not counted. Having said that, caravans here are somewhat out numbered by MHs

How does that fit into your stats? 🙄

Navigateur replied on 30/08/2022 10:42

Posted on 30/08/2022 10:42

It does seem contrary to logic that as on-board facilites in caravans have increased over the decades there has been an increase in the provision of similar facilities on sites (though we are yet to be offered proper baths).

Incidentally, with apparently so many people using site-provided accomodation rather than owning an outfit, surely there should be a category provided on CT for them to show below their forum name. Perhaps Novanner?  Suggestions please folk.

Cornersteady replied on 30/08/2022 10:50

Posted on 30/08/2022 08:47 by young thomas

I agree, the 'Club' brand is being taken higher up market, with each redevelopment adding more of what TDA alludes to...

that's all well and good, for those who wish to be taken along with this vision and can afford to make that journey.

however, whilst the Club isn't a charity (as we are so often reminded) it has a large element of the membership that are touring on fixed (perhaps dwindling) incomes. Prices edging towards £50 a night (there never seems to be a low season, these days) are a long way beyond the means of many who still wish to tour.

I would also recommended CLs to those who feel Club prices are now getting out of reach, however many member are used to a 'club formula' and may be a bit apprehensive as to what they might get at a CL...

Without basic (no facs) type sites on offer the club loyalty will be stretched, pay up or try something different...or tour less or even give up...all a bit sad.

there are sites out there, lovely ones, that still offer wonderful value. The site we are on now is a 'proper' campsite with facs, incl EHU and is £21 a night. Only about 25 vans. A delight.

I would also suggest to those finding Club sites beyond their reach that they try Temporary Holiday Sites (THS) with the C&CC. these offer a more basic approach, no facs, no EHU camping but are often sited close to towns (no driving) and are usually around £10-£12 a night.

there are cheaper options out there but it looks like they won't be on offer from the club as they look to drive the brand further upmarket.

Posted on 30/08/2022 10:50

however, whilst the Club isn't a charity (as we are so often reminded) it has a large element of the membership that are touring on fixed (perhaps dwindling) incomes. Prices edging towards £50 a night (there never seems to be a low season, these days) are a long way beyond the means of many who still wish to tour.

A large element? It may look that way but if one uses club sites during school holidays one could say the opposite is true. Also edging towards £50 a night? That is just nonsense BB.

The only sites near that mark are those like Seacroft and Hillhead in peak. My spend on a SP (with the extra £5 per night, this year has been about £35 to £40 in June and July. I'm not sure you can call that edging in any sense of the word?

 

As you keeping there are any sites out there which are cheaper, oh and of course many that are more expensive, your favourite site Concierge Camping states their prices start from £45 and they're charging £55 to £65 for September, for an emperor pitch this Thursday it's £95. Makes the club seem very reasonable. As I was saying there are  sites which are cheaper yet club sites continue to be well used in my experience.     

peedee replied on 30/08/2022 11:00

Posted on 30/08/2022 11:00

Incidentally, with apparently so many people using site-provided accomodation rather than owning an outfit, surely there should be a category provided on CT for them to show below their forum name. Perhaps Novanner? Suggestions please folk.

The obvious one, Glamper?

peedee

young thomas replied on 30/08/2022 16:22

Posted on 30/08/2022 10:50 by Cornersteady

however, whilst the Club isn't a charity (as we are so often reminded) it has a large element of the membership that are touring on fixed (perhaps dwindling) incomes. Prices edging towards £50 a night (there never seems to be a low season, these days) are a long way beyond the means of many who still wish to tour.

A large element? It may look that way but if one uses club sites during school holidays one could say the opposite is true. Also edging towards £50 a night? That is just nonsense BB.

The only sites near that mark are those like Seacroft and Hillhead in peak. My spend on a SP (with the extra £5 per night, this year has been about £35 to £40 in June and July. I'm not sure you can call that edging in any sense of the word?

 

As you keeping there are any sites out there which are cheaper, oh and of course many that are more expensive, your favourite site Concierge Camping states their prices start from £45 and they're charging £55 to £65 for September, for an emperor pitch this Thursday it's £95. Makes the club seem very reasonable. As I was saying there are  sites which are cheaper yet club sites continue to be well used in my experience.     

Posted on 30/08/2022 16:22

We used Black Knowl fairly recently, it's £43.20 a night at the moment. All those serviced pitches you say are the most popular choice are £48.10 - I'd say that was edging towards £50 a night....however, you probably won't agree, and that fine.

perhaps the sites you visit, up north perhaps, are a little cheaper? Down south, they ain't.

you seem to have an obsession with me and Concierge Camping. I went once, I think, to try it out. It was a good while back as it was £42 a night which we thought was expensive at the time but wanted to try it.

Our verdict was that it was a lovely site with fantastic facilities which really were a mile away from most other uk sites....but nice though it was, we felt it was too expensive to return to.

Unlike some users, we visit many different types of site at all points on the price spectrum and, IMHO, have a pretty good idea of what's out there.

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