Use of service points

Mike Gadd replied on 23/03/2022 08:40

Posted on 23/03/2022 08:40

I think this may have been discussed before, but is there any rethink that this club would change their policy on the use of motorhome service points for a fee? Other clubs allow it, but not this one. Please don't reply saying that I should stay the night, this is not the point, we do stay, but sometimes this is not possible if the site is full. Being rejected from a club when they are full and refusing use of the service point when we are out of water feels churlish to say the least. Happy to pay for it!

replied on 25/03/2022 08:56

Posted on 24/03/2022 23:01 by

Goodness, trying to untangle the chop logic in your post is hard.

From where, in my post, since you have quoted from it, do you arrive at the conclusion that "officially designated motorhome stops" equates to wanting "others, the club, to plan to cater for their needs". Did I say that? It's a total non sequitur arrived at by some labyrinthine process of illogic.

What a sweeping statement you made.

These official stops are happening without the participation of the Club. 

As a caravanner and a motorhomer, I would say that planning is more required when caravanning than when motorhoming since, when towing, we cannot, at a whim, detour to an inviting looking village, town, stately home, church .... and park up to explore, or just stop to shop as not all supermarket car parks are suitable.

In our motorhome we tour and explore as we go. Plan? Not a lot. And I do not require others, least of all the Club, to plan for me. Utterly patronising to suggest as such.

 

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Posted on 25/03/2022 08:56 by

I fully understand the attraction of motorhoming for a touring holiday and feel sure it's much better catered for abroad. However it doesn't hold the same attraction to those of us who like to pick our site without having to consider  availability of public transport or being in cycling distance of shops or attractions.  Our all time favourite  spot 20 meters from the Adriatic would be a non starter for us being too far from the town as would another "bit of heaven " in the Landes.

If we were younger and with deep pockets we might well look more favourably  on a MH  however  I do think Allan has a point  about planning, yes less personally required but that's because others ie Local Authorities or Campsite owners  have made provisions for MHs  and they have done so knowing full well what the alternative would be.m if they dont.

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JVB66 replied on 25/03/2022 09:13

Posted on 24/03/2022 17:36 by young thomas

David, another example of the club staffing model (and regimented timetabling of duties) preventing any other form of model, even one that would generate cash.

the site I'm on now (in France) allows this practice, as does innumerable others.

a van pulls up outside the barrier, chap walks to office and pays Madame, the barrier is raised, the van drives the 50m to the MHSP, empties and fills and then moves on without disrupting a soul on site.

you mention 'busy times' but surely this a creation of a strictly adhered to arrival time, everyone arrives at once...in France there is no 'bow wave', the site might be 'busy' but the arrivals are spread throughout the day with Madame rarely having to deal with more than one (possibly two) at once...and one of these might be someone wishing to spend money on a refill.

on the site website it lists "technical stop for motorhome @ €6.20". With the (super thrifty) French prepared to pay this sort of fee, surely the club is missing a big trick.

again, a limited Club understanding of motorhoming requirements leading to poor design of MHSP and their placement makes this seemingly simple task (elsewhere) beyond the club's comprehension.

Bizzare.

Posted on 25/03/2022 09:13

With.the already vocal minority complaining about club site costs and the restrictions that the WTD already have on when staff are available .to enable what is envisaged would mean more staff and the cost that go with them 

As for service points many sites in the network are decades old and to put most where some motor caravan owners would like them to be would be even more expensive than it already is for one side of the membership if. It would be for members only

 

 

 

replied on 25/03/2022 09:26

Posted on 25/03/2022 09:09 by

I'm not sure I follow your meaning in paragraph two.

My objection to the post to which you refer was the assertion that motorhomers require the club to plan for them.

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SteveL replied on 25/03/2022 09:27

Posted on 25/03/2022 08:56 by

I fully understand the attraction of motorhoming for a touring holiday and feel sure it's much better catered for abroad. However it doesn't hold the same attraction to those of us who like to pick our site without having to consider  availability of public transport or being in cycling distance of shops or attractions.  Our all time favourite  spot 20 meters from the Adriatic would be a non starter for us being too far from the town as would another "bit of heaven " in the Landes.

If we were younger and with deep pockets we might well look more favourably  on a MH  however  I do think Allan has a point  about planning, yes less personally required but that's because others ie Local Authorities or Campsite owners  have made provisions for MHs  and they have done so knowing full well what the alternative would be.m if they dont.

Posted on 25/03/2022 09:27

Unless there is something specific we want to visit, We are not that concerned with public transport and many National Trust / English Heritage / Private Estates allow MH parking. The main thing I look at, is exactly the same as when we had a caravan. Ordnance Survey map or IGN in France, what walking is there immediately available from site. We are not bothered about shops as we only stop for a maximum of four days and re provision on moving day. Apart from the fact we move more often and don’t use a car for shopping, not much has changed since we had a caravan. Oh of course we can now use Aires, which is a big plus.πŸ˜€

replied on 25/03/2022 09:58

Posted on 25/03/2022 09:26 by

Ignoring CAMC sites but looking at motorhoming as I see it abroad I cant help but feel the the freedom to roam is largely  down to local authorities recognizing that with many thousands of pretty much self sufficient vehicles on the road real problems would arise if they were forced to wild camp.

Incidentally  in my earliest trips late  70s we thought nothing of driving to the South of France or Spain spending each night halt on motorway service stations so in way enjoyed  the aire type travel that's available to motorhomers, we dont do it now either it's become more dangerous or we more timid , not sure.

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Posted on 25/03/2022 09:27 by SteveL

Unless there is something specific we want to visit, We are not that concerned with public transport and many National Trust / English Heritage / Private Estates allow MH parking. The main thing I look at, is exactly the same as when we had a caravan. Ordnance Survey map or IGN in France, what walking is there immediately available from site. We are not bothered about shops as we only stop for a maximum of four days and re provision on moving day. Apart from the fact we move more often and don’t use a car for shopping, not much has changed since we had a caravan. Oh of course we can now use Aires, which is a big plus.πŸ˜€

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cyberyacht replied on 25/03/2022 10:44

Posted on 25/03/2022 10:44

Given the itinerant nature of many motorhomers, doing a "one nighter" for the purpose of using the "dump & fill" facilities is mostly a non-starter. Motorhomers and caravanners alike bemoan the lack of short notice availability. Is it really feasible to pre-book numerous stopovers in case I need to "dump & fill" only to find that I had followed a different route on my travels and was nowhere near those rebooked stopovers?

What is so terrible about allowing a "dump & fill"? Will the world really spin uncontrollably out of its orbit?

Tammygirl replied on 25/03/2022 11:01

Posted on 23/03/2022 09:52 by Tinwheeler

M on T, have you ever tried approaching a CL owner and asking the question? My gut instinct is that they could be far more amenable.

Posted on 25/03/2022 11:01

Unfortunately not the 2 or 3 I've suggested it to when staying on their CL. 

Trying to get them to understand that for some folk being able to roam and stop where they please is a foreign concept. 

I've tried explaining how it works abroad and that it fits in very well alongside campsites and Aires, another concept that those I spoke to couldn't get their head around.

Maybe the last 2 years might have changed their minds but I doubt it.

Lots of MH stops springing up around the country but we still lack the services to go with these. Even getting LPG at fuel stations is getting harder in some areas of the country, what chance do we have getting the CAMC to agree to what has been proposed. 

allanandjean replied on 25/03/2022 18:29

Posted on 24/03/2022 23:01 by

Goodness, trying to untangle the chop logic in your post is hard.

From where, in my post, since you have quoted from it, do you arrive at the conclusion that "officially designated motorhome stops" equates to wanting "others, the club, to plan to cater for their needs". Did I say that? It's a total non sequitur arrived at by some labyrinthine process of illogic.

What a sweeping statement you made.

These official stops are happening without the participation of the Club. 

As a caravanner and a motorhomer, I would say that planning is more required when caravanning than when motorhoming since, when towing, we cannot, at a whim, detour to an inviting looking village, town, stately home, church .... and park up to explore, or just stop to shop as not all supermarket car parks are suitable.

In our motorhome we tour and explore as we go. Plan? Not a lot. And I do not require others, least of all the Club, to plan for me. Utterly patronising to suggest as such.

 

Posted on 25/03/2022 18:29

WTG, If I knew what you were talking abut I could maybe offer a more detailed response however, what you posted was;

"there are posts showing evidence that there is a growing number of officially designated motorhome stops."

and then;

"And then come along all the reasons why allowing access to service points cannot possibly be done: reception closed, staff cleaning loos and so on. Just as on the ‘electric thread’ there are reasons why metering wouldn’t work – staff reception hours and so on. This shows the rigidity of the thinking in the Club."

So, that appeared to me to suggest, and thats the word that I used, that you wanted the club to change its position to suit you.

Like it or not the clubs position, as posted by DK, does appear reasonable and I would expect any potential use of services, by passing MHs, would be so restrictive as to be useless anyway.

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