UK sites with metered electricity

eurortraveller replied on 11/11/2021 09:59

Posted on 11/11/2021 09:59

Can people please post some examples of UK sites where electricity.usage is metered.

The one I know of is Pier Collage on the waterside at Coniston - a family owned site with 15 pitches . The system there is to pay on departure for the amount of electricity used, but other sites sell pre paid cards on arrival, so comments on the different ways of working may be helpful.

Likes and dislikes will inevitably crop up - they always do on here - but I was rather looking for practical ways of working. 

 

SteveL replied on 17/11/2021 16:25

Posted on 17/11/2021 14:24 by Tammygirl

Out of interest do you close your inner blinds in the cab as well as putting on the silver screens outside.

I have tried it both ways and I think it is warmer with inner closed and outer on. 

Both of the MHs we've owned have had rear lounges where the heating seems to be concentrated. We do have a vent at the front of the van but its pretty ineffective, by the time the heat travels along the tubs its lost most of its warmth and just about all its power. So the coldest place in the MH is by the cab. 

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:25

No, not tried the blinds as well as Silver Screen, will have to give it a go. Our seating  area is at the front, utilising the cab seats and the vents are concentrated at this end. This makes the bedroom end somewhat cooler which is good. We do let some heat bleed into the garage through the vent there. It means there isn’t a cold void under the beds and the walking boots are not stone cold the next day.😀

Cornersteady replied on 17/11/2021 16:38

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:24 by young thomas

With blown air heating (where air heats up and cools quickly) it's better to have the unit placed centrally where each of the four pipes can be kept as short as possible yet service all corners equally. With ALDE Hot water heating, the heated water which circulates to the radiators retains its heat so boilers and radiators can be placed less strategically.

our Combi is pretty central, and the outlets are numerous (3 in the cab, two in the lounge, one near the door (so being a front lounge van, that's effectively 6 in the habitation area), one in the bathroom, a long pipe that completely surrounds the bed (with multiple smaller outlets) and one in the garage...so plenty of heating points throughout the van, and with all the pipes running under the floor, feet are warm, as are water tanks and batteries..

smaller, cheaper, lighter vans (including ours) probably wouldn't see the benefit of an ALDE system that adds weight, complexity and cost.

we have a double skinned thermal blind that rolls down to cover the windscreen and blinds to all the side windows, but I made some extra thermal sections which fit neatly between the factory blinds and the windows, creating a very warm cab area.

back to the OP, even if we all insulate our vans to the nth degree, it won't give us a saving if we can't benefit by using less fuel...but the club will.

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:38

I think I've agreed with you before on this and even asked why the unit is mounted where it is on caravans (usually right at the front) apart from what you say about heat distribution I assume it's heavy even empty and weight wise would might more sense to move it to the middle?

Another in my view stupid thing to do is that the air ducts on mine (and I remember a few others have mentioned this) actually goes underneath and outside the caravan to bypass the cassette toilet, only a foot or so but still! Mine wasn't even insulated although I got it asap.

 

MichaelT replied on 17/11/2021 16:40

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:19 by Cornersteady

well I would disagree, there appears to be a difference between insulation in the two which slows down the loss of heat and therefore needs less power for the same volume and warmth? And therefore is relevant in my view. 

MH appear to need, or people like to have them, these insulating screens at the front which a caravan doesn't.

 

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:40

You are probably right all our continental MH's are probably much better insulated than your average UK caravan but I was just trying to let you down gently and give you the benefit of doubt!wink

replied on 17/11/2021 16:53

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:38 by Cornersteady

I think I've agreed with you before on this and even asked why the unit is mounted where it is on caravans (usually right at the front) apart from what you say about heat distribution I assume it's heavy even empty and weight wise would might more sense to move it to the middle?

Another in my view stupid thing to do is that the air ducts on mine (and I remember a few others have mentioned this) actually goes underneath and outside the caravan to bypass the cassette toilet, only a foot or so but still! Mine wasn't even insulated although I got it asap.

 

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Cornersteady replied on 17/11/2021 16:56

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:53 by

I have had exterior air ducts on vans but on the Hobby they are inside, probably because lots of continental customers do winter sports.

My answer however to keeping warm in the winter is either stay at home or go somewhere warmwink

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:56

Very good advice I will admit

Cornersteady replied on 17/11/2021 16:57

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:40 by MichaelT

You are probably right all our continental MH's are probably much better insulated than your average UK caravan but I was just trying to let you down gently and give you the benefit of doubt!wink

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:57

smile

young thomas replied on 17/11/2021 17:23

Posted on 17/11/2021 16:38 by Cornersteady

I think I've agreed with you before on this and even asked why the unit is mounted where it is on caravans (usually right at the front) apart from what you say about heat distribution I assume it's heavy even empty and weight wise would might more sense to move it to the middle?

Another in my view stupid thing to do is that the air ducts on mine (and I remember a few others have mentioned this) actually goes underneath and outside the caravan to bypass the cassette toilet, only a foot or so but still! Mine wasn't even insulated although I got it asap.

 

Posted on 17/11/2021 17:23

With a single floored van, you would think a designer would place the Combi on the side opposite the door...otherwise the pipe work has to go under the door (outside) to get from back to front... my own Swift did this...not good.

some converters even use narrow bore pipe to run behind fridges etc rather than making the opening large enough for the normal sized tubing...more poor design.

it cant be rocket science to design in the heating system and let the fixtures be built around it, rather than treating it as an afterthought.

of course, a double floor provides space for heating pipes (and plumbing and electrics) to be routed to best serve the heating design rather the furniture design which isn't impacted.

JVB66 replied on 17/11/2021 17:40

Posted on 17/11/2021 17:40

We have had two caravans of different makes  both had heaters that were in stupid places that made keeping a vehicle warm was impossible ? 

When I contacted the manufacturers of both heating systems at the Birmingham shows ,they both said we give advise to those who ask where to place the heaters/run warm air pipes and a few follow what we advise, as long as it aestheticaly fits in with their designsundecided

cyberyacht replied on 17/11/2021 17:52

Posted on 17/11/2021 17:52

I recall with my caravan that there was a shortish run of heating duct under the van for which I fabricated a wooden box which I lined with 1" polystyrene. Not sure if the improvement was real or imagined.

Corners wrote "We have always had a large 6 six berth caravan and after warm up 900W is more than enough. In fact the heat thermostat is often at 3 out of 5 otherwise we're too warm"

Members should remember that this individual is a Geordie and we know that they are given to wandering round in shirtsleeves in two feet of snow. Us 'southern softies' may find our mileage may vary. 

Navigateur replied on 17/11/2021 18:09

Posted on 17/11/2021 18:09

Reminds me of the situation in the shipbuilding industry in the 1960s. The fitting out of hulls was not planned in any detail. It was a case of whoever got there first when installing items.   So if the electricians had run a bit of 1" conduit somewhere and the plumbers came along later fitting a 24" steam pipe they had to fit 90 degree bends and go around it.  All jobs and working practices stoutly defended by a multitude of Trade Unions.

We lost the business of building ships as we were not competitive.

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