Smart Metering Trial

KieranBSMM replied on 05/04/2023 16:17

Posted on 05/04/2023 16:17

Exciting News! At Wyatts Covert Club Campsite we’re trialling Smart Metering, which means you will only pay for the amount of electricity you use during your stay.

The price quoted for bookings at this campsite excludes electricity (with campsite fees reduced accordingly) and we will only charge you for the precise amount of electricity you use during your stay.

This is something many members have been asking for and we’re really pleased to be able to trial it this year! Find out more at https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/smartmetering/ 

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KjellNN replied on 02/05/2023 15:00

Posted on 02/05/2023 12:03 by DavidKlyne

Kj

Be interesting to know whether the Alde system uses more power than the Truma? We never leave the heating on in the van when we are out, unless we are just wandering around the site. One of the advantages of the Truma system is that it does heat up pretty quickly. However if your consumption is typical I imagine quite a few people are in for a shock with a metered supply?

David

Posted on 02/05/2023 15:00

I believe it does use more gas than the blown air, so probably more electricity too, as it warms the whole fabric of the van, not just the air.

Ours is only 2kW on electricity, but 6kW on gas, so we do, as I said, use gas to get things warm initially, or if it is extremely cold,  then turn over to electricity.  
As warming up from cold takes a while, we leave it on at a lower temperature if away from the van, and let the thermostat do its job.  The controller takes care of overnight settings, we can set a start and stop time for it to reduce to our chosen overnight temperature.

Our consumption is probably higher than typical as we have a 15 year old van, vans that age are probably not that typical on Club sites!  And we do always wash up in the van, and prefer to use our own shower most of the time.  We also rarely eat out, so do a fair bit of cooking.  And we have no solar panel.

On a metered site, where the electricity is expensive, which we have experienced in Germany, we would use gas for heating and HW, and probably cook more by gas, as we have refillable Gaslow cylinders.

 This would work out less expensive than using electricity The fridge is heavy on gas, around 0.6kg per 24 hours,  but on, for example, ACSI sites the electricity allowance is sufficient to cover the fridge.  You soon get to know what costs less and get used to a different way of operating the van.

Bakers2 replied on 02/05/2023 15:07

Posted on 02/05/2023 15:07

At last a proper discussion on facts and figures.

Interesting info from KjellNN so offers an insight, not everyone's consumption will be the same.

Cannot understand why the cost per KWH couldn't have been given originally 🤐 when the discussion was opened!. The reductions offered do seem derisory BUT folk may well use facilities more rather than their own AND the cost of providing meters can be recouped in other ways just not on the KWH.

I suspect as well as installing meters, whether that's the club or the company running the App, the cost of installation of the meters needs to be recouped and the company running the App won't be providing their service as a charity. Out sourcing doesn't always save money, but passes responsibility. Let's hope it provides a better service than AirAngel and WiFi 🤐🤐🤐

 

Navigateur replied on 02/05/2023 15:43

Posted on 02/05/2023 13:44 by

But if you use solar for your batteries and LPG for the fridge, heating and hot water it should be cheaper than paying for the EHU.  To help you with your maths say one litre of LPG costs £1 and will provide 7 kWh of energy.  

Posted on 02/05/2023 15:43

FloGas website gives 1kg = 1.969 litres, so 6kg would be 11.814 litres and cost £11.82 in your example.  Currently it would be about three times that for a 6kg exchange cylinder around here, so £1 buys me only about 2.3 kWh of energy.   Wish I could use your supplier! 

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Posted on 02/05/2023 15:43 by Navigateur

FloGas website gives 1kg = 1.969 litres, so 6kg would be 11.814 litres and cost £11.82 in your example.  Currently it would be about three times that for a 6kg exchange cylinder around here, so £1 buys me only about 2.3 kWh of energy.   Wish I could use your supplier! 

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replied on 02/05/2023 16:01

Posted on 02/05/2023 15:51 by KjellNN

That will be for LPG in a refillable system

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Rufs replied on 02/05/2023 16:10

Posted on 02/05/2023 14:02 by Justus2

If the temperature outside is below 10c we always warm the van up using gas. It's far more powerful than electric so increases the temperature inside much much quicker. We too always turn it off if out.

Posted on 02/05/2023 16:10

ditto almost...in addition to the gas we use a fan heater, on 2kw setting it heats the van in no time, we then switch off the gas and  maybe use the blown air electric system, we never never leave the heater on whilst we are away from the van and almost never whilst we are in bed, just use a decent duvet, even in North Spain last January -5c i only used the electric heater overnight on the 1kw setting, and we have lived in Scotland and did most of our caravanning north of the border

"We were mainly on CLs, had heating during the day/evening, when "at home" , at 21 degrees, reduced to 18 when out, and to 13 for 7 hours overnight. We have a 2kw Alde system so heating from very cold takes a while, so we do not turn it completely off when on a site in cold weather."

"Our average daily use of electricity was 22 kWh"

I guess non of this was metered ? bet the CL owners breathed a sigh of relieft when you left KjellNN

Rufs replied on 02/05/2023 16:13

Posted on 02/05/2023 13:29 by Navigateur

Whatever make of heating unit is in use there will be a substantial amount of heat needed when heating from cold - especially if the caravan has been unoccupied for a while.  Lots of cold air in cupboards, the wardrobe and under the bed. Who wants their newly cooked hot food congealing on a cold plate straight from the cupboard.

 

Posted on 02/05/2023 16:13

park it in the sun for an hour much more energy efficient laughing

Navigateur replied on 02/05/2023 16:53

Posted on 02/05/2023 16:53

 Especially if caravans were not white, but black.   Probably dark green would be prefered by the anti-caravan environmentalists though.

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