Exploiting the members

layton1837 replied on 21/01/2022 09:20

Posted on 21/01/2022 09:20

Why is it necessary for the club sites to seek excessive profits on  school holidays. My son has booked a pitch at Brecon beacon site for the Easter holidays. Cost per night for 2 adults and 1 child  £37.80 per night. The following week it would have been £ 27.95. What extra costs does the running of the site between the 2 weeks. .Nothing just exploiting the members because of the school holidays. Yet another excuse to make more money from the members when we already pay a membership fee.

DavidKlyne replied on 22/01/2022 20:42

Posted on 22/01/2022 19:59 by

In my view CC Ltd should not raise its prices to exploit the holiday periods and those that have little choice but to use them.  It is entirely understandable if a commercial company takes advantage of a particular situation to makes additional profit for its shareholders.  I simply don’t understand why a club would do the same as it is only exploiting its members.  I’m a member of a number of clubs all of which provides benefits and services at less than I would pay to purchase the same products and services on a purely commercial basis. 

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:42

But what exactly are you suggesting? Is it your view that prices should be the same across all seasons? Clearly if you lower prices at the time of peak demand it means you have to raise them at quieter times of year? 

Cornersteady replied on 22/01/2022 20:49

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:18 by Takethedogalong

It’s the schools that are at the root of the issue. They chase Ofsted ratings, any child who is absent, for whatever reason, affects those ratings via attendance monitoring. Parents cannot take children away outside of school holidays, (at risk of a fine or worse), ergo, the holiday businesses cash in on this period. Market forces and modern day living. Part of having children nowadays sadly.

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:49

yes you're right and more so nowadays but it was always thus even before 'everyday counts' reared its head.

According to my 1999 site handbook this is nothing new, but interestingly enough summer peak now is actually smaller than then. Now its 22nd July to 31st August while back then peak was 9th July to 4th September. The Easter peak lasted 11 days, now it has crept up to 16. 

In those days while kids did have the occasional week(s) I don't recall any that were for caravanning holidays, they were mainly for cheaper abroad holidays.

KjellNN replied on 22/01/2022 20:56

Posted on 22/01/2022 18:25 by Cornersteady

If that is aimed at me, although off topic but I agree, but at least get one's 'facts' right and use the right words? Perhaps even keep on topic, although it's easy to drift? There is no 'exploitation'?  One can say club prices are too high for them, but that is completely different to being exploited?

Or do you think the club (and all other holiday companies, ferries, airlines...) who put up prices at peak times or even hours of the day are exploiting people? I know you say you can't 'afford' club prices and there is membership fee to pay but really is that exploitation K? Do you personally feel exploited? As you posted on it do you feel exploited that your views are not know to committee members? And if you and others do why keep re-joining the club and still use club sites?

I certainly wouldn't and can't understand those that do.

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:56

I wrote a reasoned reply to this, but then realised there was no point in doing so, as those who have plenty of money, e.g. a good working income, or 2 pensions and  no problem with paying CAMC prices, have no regard for older pensioners, or those  who have spouses who have not been able to earn a pension.

On our travels, we have often chatted with members who have older vans, and disabled spouses, and are still trying to tour using CAMC sites as that is all they have known.    Many have said they cannot afford to go away as often as they used to.

 But of course, even in a members club, this apparently does not matter.

Personally, we could afford CAMC peak prices, though it would cut down on our nights away, and we do not consider them good value, so we will not pay them.

We will stay members, but use CLs, and also make more use of CCC sites....what is not to like about them Corners? 

 

Cornersteady replied on 22/01/2022 20:58

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:39 by

As I am sure that you are well aware "the Club" or whatever you care to call it, is a club and registered company.  Unfortunately the way it trades seems to be rather blurred.  In my view it performs more as a commercial company rather than a club providing member benefits across the full range of its activities.  

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:58

Perhaps the benefits are excellent sites (that you appear to use quite a bit), the standard of its wardens, the saving you can make by being a member - I still haven't paid for any membership fees due to savings on products? Use of CLs?

I know that excellent can be debated but the truth of the matter is people use and then re-use club sites a lot, there are plenty of threads about not getting pitches or getting a weekend at any time of year on some sites, so unless people are sing clubs sites because, as you put it, those that have little choice but to use them, the club appears to be giving members a great deal of benefits?  

Tinwheeler replied on 22/01/2022 20:58

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:39 by

As I am sure that you are well aware "the Club" or whatever you care to call it, is a club and registered company.  Unfortunately the way it trades seems to be rather blurred.  In my view it performs more as a commercial company rather than a club providing member benefits across the full range of its activities.  

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:58

It must suit you seeing you rejoined after a break so what does the name matter as long as folk are happy and want to use it’s products?

replied on 22/01/2022 20:59

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:42 by DavidKlyne

But what exactly are you suggesting? Is it your view that prices should be the same across all seasons? Clearly if you lower prices at the time of peak demand it means you have to raise them at quieter times of year? 

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:59

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Cornersteady replied on 22/01/2022 21:05

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:56 by KjellNN

I wrote a reasoned reply to this, but then realised there was no point in doing so, as those who have plenty of money, e.g. a good working income, or 2 pensions and  no problem with paying CAMC prices, have no regard for older pensioners, or those  who have spouses who have not been able to earn a pension.

On our travels, we have often chatted with members who have older vans, and disabled spouses, and are still trying to tour using CAMC sites as that is all they have known.    Many have said they cannot afford to go away as often as they used to.

 But of course, even in a members club, this apparently does not matter.

Personally, we could afford CAMC peak prices, though it would cut down on our nights away, and we do not consider them good value, so we will not pay them.

We will stay members, but use CLs, and also make more use of CCC sites....what is not to like about them Corners?

 

 

 

 

Posted on 22/01/2022 21:05

It's not a matter of having no regard but I'm sorry to tell you that the club is not a charity and nor should it be.

If someone cannot afford something then that is, sadly, life. I'd like a newer Jag but the sales people have no regard for me being an older pensioner so a KIA it will have to be.

As to CCC sites, too variable in standards in my experience. 

mickysf replied on 22/01/2022 21:06

Posted on 22/01/2022 21:06

Its called market forces, a key element of capitalism. Maybe a better approach would be to means test us and provide a price accordingly to individual members!🤪

Tinwheeler replied on 22/01/2022 21:14

Posted on 22/01/2022 20:59 by

It's simple.  I think the price should not be increased to exploit the school holiday periods.  

Posted on 22/01/2022 21:14

That’s very short sighted, DD, for the reason DK gave. 

young thomas replied on 22/01/2022 21:19

Posted on 22/01/2022 21:19

"As to CCC sites, too variable in standards in my experience."

How large was your sample on which you based this statement...one site, two, thirty-seven?

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