Electric Hook up

If they didn't bother hooking up then where does your £1.8 million saving come? or indeed the savings you talk about in this reply?

The electricity bill for any site will be what it will be. The club has to pay it either from an inclusive price or from metering so it will not save any money, especially the  £1.8 million you quoted?

The club has to be follow what those actually staying on site want, isn't that the idea in any successful business? if this trial shows what people really want the club must or should follow it. Not much point talking about sustainability (is the word of the day btw?) if income is down and less popular sites perhaps closing in the worst possible case.

And some does not mean the majority, otherwise I assume it would have said so, and it does not say the exact figure and more importantly of course this was in the first six months of the trial in the summer and you appear to be extrapolating this over a full year in your saving of £1.8m? So we will have to wait what the winter figures are and some equally found it complicated all for a saving of £1.49 (YTD average) a night. For me that hardly seems worth it.

Why the grumpiness, PD? I’m puzzled by your reaction. I asked a simple question in an attempt to learn the facts and you have refused to answer. So be it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Agreed, as long as there is this option on every pitch. far simpler and cheaper to implement, easily understood and (should be) straightforward to price.

Does anyone know why the 'average daily price reduction' when using no electric on a metered pitch isnt the same (for the corresponding month) as the 'pitch discount per night' when you take a non electric option?

Just stayed on a cl site over the new year metered electric 15 units a day allowance usually 12 on metered sites,ran fridge freezer alde heating, hot water  and oven on gas .   

Still ended up paying £20 extra ,electric charged at 36 p business tariff .site owner in a no win situation, installed meters to stop idiots leaving heaters on in awnings and van while out for the day but not getting as much business due to meters.

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I don’t have the article the Club ran in the last magazine but they maintained, if i remember correctly, that the trial had made everyone more aware of consumption. And they quoted figures, which I don’t remember. I am sorry to hear of the CL above getting less business because of metering. I don’t think that is the universal result, unless it is a winter response. Certainly some CL have just reported  much smaller electric bills and no loss of business.

I was wondering that too YT, seems strange!

Also thinking that whoever negotiated the electricity contract did not get a very good deal.  Would larger users not get a better price than small users?   Although they would of course pay a higher rate of VAT.  But then would the VAT paid out not be deductible from the VAT paid by customers?  Not sure how it all works.

Our Guide Hall is about to start a new contract in a few weeks, OH has gone with Business  Octopus.  They will pay 22.143 p per kWh, plus VAT, and a daily charge of 66.189 p, plus VAT, a 12 month contract.   Seems a lot less than the rate at Wyatts Covert.

Adding VAT at 20%, that would be 26.57 p per kWh, plus 79.43 p per day, though they will only pay 5% VAT.   Business daily standing charges are rather steep these days.

Does anyone know why the 'average daily price reduction' when using no electric on a metered pitch isnt the same (for the corresponding month) as the 'pitch discount per night' when you take a non electric option?

Infrastructure costs could account for the differences?

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...and this is a real issue.

when electricity was cheap(er) it formed a much smaller part, cost wise, of the pitch price, with the 'basic' pitch element being set quite high yet not leading to a monstrous total price...

fast forward to todays leccy prices and, with those same base elements not changed much, the total price has now rocketed.

hence my suggestion that all sites (not just the two clubs) will need to look hard at their base costs to ensure that 'with electric' pitches aren't pushed totally beyond the very customers they are trying to attract/retain.....and also that 'non electric' prices are also sufficiently low to make giving up the orange cable worthwhile.

agreed, costs across the board are still increasing but if the club is looking to sell two types of product (with/without electric) then it has to make both of these sufficiently attractive to those customers who are likely to choose each.

But the numbers are the wrong way around for that....

the 'infrastructure cost' would be more for the metered bollard system (physical changes, app development and management etc, etc) yet the discount is more here than for the non-electric option which just requires just a locking hook up.🤷🏻‍♂️