Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

PITCHTOCLOSE replied on 05/01/2018 10:58

Posted on 05/01/2018 10:58

Bring in metered electricity, this would be the fairest way pay for what you use.

Tinwheeler replied on 05/01/2018 11:00

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:00

Good post, Nav. I think you’ve made the point, as have National Grid, that our electricity infrastructure will not be able to cope with massive EV use. 

People want EVs yet object to the likes of Hinckley C. It doesn’t make sense. 

replied on 05/01/2018 11:02

Posted on 04/01/2018 11:08 by Boff

There seems to be a false argument here.  Which is charging up my EV uses less electricity than someone who runs loads of appliances. Why can’t someone do both? They  are not mutually exclusive, just because you have an EV it doesn’t automatically mean you are a low user of electricity in other aspects.  I am not against electric vehicles far from it but why should they be subsidised?   Metered pitches are the obvious solution, if you want to charge your Tesla or heat your awning then fine you pay for it.  I can’t see how anyone object to this, as with the possible exception of Malcolm Mehta, no one on here is profligate in their use of electricity, we’ll no one is owning up. 

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:02

I need a pitch for my caravan 365 days a year because I only use my home address to collect my mail. So I have to pay a huge amount more in site fees than someone who just stays for one or two weeks per year. So I'm surely paying my fair share, especially as I cannot use more than 16 amps same as anyone else.

Yertiz replied on 05/01/2018 11:08

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:08

My view is very similar to Navigateur's in that the government (small g!)

will have to charge for the additional volume of electricity being used in the future as EV's become more prevalent as there is no way they will not recover all the revenue from current fuel duty and the VAT.

This loss will have to be recovered or would you all like the thought of a major hike in other taxes to recoup the lost revenue?

In essence, it WILL have to be paid for in some shape or form! undecided

Eye's to the skies!!!

replied on 05/01/2018 11:12

Posted on 05/01/2018 10:22 by

They are not subsidising anything because other electric appliances are switched to make power available to charge the EV. On the contrary, EV users are subsidising others who are using their Alde heating, hot water fridge/ freezer, electric kettle etc. etc. on electric.

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:12

I think you are kidding yourself if you believe that you will not be using more electricity Malc. At this time of year 1kw will keep our caravan warm overnight and will be off more than it is on as opposed to 2 kw full time for maybe 4 hours. Cost to all others on site? Probably less than 2p. Nothing to beat anybody up over. wink

In the Summer very little night time power consumption for heating with most caravans. Effect of a couple of vehicles charging on most CC sites not significant for other users in my view. Over time with more hybrids and some EV toads that may well change.

replied on 05/01/2018 11:16

Posted on 04/01/2018 11:25 by vivien

I have just spent ages catching up with this thread.

As I see it, electric used at the moment on site is for DOMESTIC use. Same as the use of LPG in bottles we buy.

For electric cars to be charged on site away from dedicated bollards is abusing the system completely.

to use examples:

Diesel bought at a service station is legal. Diesel (Red)  obtained from a farm or similar, including boat yards is not legal.

LPG vehicles buying from a garage or similar is legal, although using domestic purchased LPG is avoiding taxes, same as LPG bought from boat yards.

so as you can see, there is right and wrong on purchase and use of fuels in this country.

The only way a fair way for EV cars to be charged on sites is to install rapid charge points similar to the ones available for cars NOT in a home environment.

I have to purchase and buy my fuel for my cars away from my pitch, in fact even site, so why should people with EV’s abuse the system and steal electric for the EV’s cars on a pitch???

Before anyone says about Disability carts being charged on site, they are for one person to enable them to continue a domestic lifestyle, NOT for them to hitch a caravan etc and go on holiday on stolen electric!

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:16

That's nonsense. EVs are not running on stolen electricity because the electricity used within the 16 amp outlet is included and paid for in the site fees.

replied on 05/01/2018 11:17

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:02 by

I need a pitch for my caravan 365 days a year because I only use my home address to collect my mail. So I have to pay a huge amount more in site fees than someone who just stays for one or two weeks per year. So I'm surely paying my fair share, especially as I cannot use more than 16 amps same as anyone else.

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:17

Who are you kidding now fella? In winter I believe that you have a seasonal CC pitch. Was it Steve who calculated that to run out at £5 a night for an (almost) full time usage, within the rules? You should have no trouble burning that off each day Malcolm smile

Yertiz replied on 05/01/2018 11:19

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:00 by Tinwheeler

Good post, Nav. I think you’ve made the point, as have National Grid, that our electricity infrastructure will not be able to cope with massive EV use. 

People want EVs yet object to the likes of Hinckley C. It doesn’t make sense. 

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:19

Agreed,laughing

NIMBY'S comes to mind.

replied on 05/01/2018 11:26

Posted on 04/01/2018 11:47 by Kennine

The CMC has decreed that at the moment, customers with E/Vehicles can charge their cars at the CMC's expense while on the campsite.  

I don't blame anybody for taking advantage of this facility.

  Obviously at some time in the future the CMC may have to change their policy and at that time I'm sure that they will make their decision at management level.  Opinions mentioned on this forum will make absolutely no difference to that management decision. cool

wink

Posted on 05/01/2018 11:26

If the club did charge extra for EVs, many EV owners will feel that they are being discriminated against, so the club would need to consider the loss of business from customers owning EVs who feel unhappy about the extra charge.

Members of the club have other options available. They could choose to stay on a CL with no EHU at £5 a night and use a power generator, for example.  They may choose to do this if the price their being charged is higher than others who plug in for toher purposes.

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