Red Pennant Recovery Experiences

mapman replied on 21/03/2023 12:28

Posted on 21/03/2023 12:28

We have taken Red Pennant insurance on all our trips over 30 odd years. Only had to use them twice some years ago and found the service excellent,  but neither involved vehicle repatriation. Have seen recent posts on other forums of poor service by the recovery operators ( not Red Pennant).

Red Pennant booklet mentions the use of UK based operators where possible. What experiences have members had? 

jennyc replied on 05/04/2023 18:49

Posted on 05/04/2023 10:13 by Stato

Hi again Jenny.

Yes, there does seem to be a lot more faffing around now booking these insurances. I was quite happy in the old days, pretty much choosing the Club for everything (travel, sites, insurances etc). However, post covid, we now seem to live in a different world. In my opinion, levels of service seem to have plummeted. On occasions anyway. The Club is no different in that respect. 

A couple of points.

Remember that the costs I included in my post above include UK breakdown cover for the year. And I have chosen the most expensive RAC UK voters available (Ultimate at approx £165 pa). Cheaper options are available. The Arrival overseas add on is approx £95. 

Also, bear in mind that Red Pennant now expect your caravan (and car for that matter) to be serviced to manufacturers specs for the cover to be valid. Or of course, they may not! It depends who you speak to lol! Seriously though, if that may be an issue for you it would be wise to get confirmation, in writing, of their policy. And good luck with that!!

Whoever you go with have a lovely trip. 

Posted on 05/04/2023 18:49

Thanks. We already have Britannia Rescue for our two cars in the UK, but upgrading that to Europe and adding in the caravan didn’t create an encouraging quote. Mind you, you might ask why we haven’t historically covered the van for UK breakdowns.

Perhaps 130 miles then six weeks in the New Forest last summer is part of the thinking.

This year our semi wild campsite price in the NF price has tripled.

iansoady replied on 06/04/2023 10:18

Posted on 06/04/2023 10:18

Why did you have to specifically add the caravan to your Britannia cover - as I understand it cover is automatic. For what it's worth our NW policy with personal cover (travelling in any vehicle) plus EU costs £142 / year which seems reasonable.

Having said that I had an unfortunate experience with Britannia last week - recounted elsewhere.

Rufs replied on 06/04/2023 13:52

Posted on 06/04/2023 13:52

Barclays Bank do a Travel Pack, full RAC breakdown cover including caravan Uk & EU with full medical insurance for the EU £12.50 per month, i think you only have to have a bank account, Nationwide is similar offering but i think they use the AA, you have to pay an additonal premium for trips longer than 30 days. I have used the medical insurance and it was brilliant, the RAC let me down in the EU but they did give me £100 as a sweetner.

jennyc replied on 07/04/2023 13:11

Posted on 06/04/2023 10:18 by iansoady

Why did you have to specifically add the caravan to your Britannia cover - as I understand it cover is automatic. For what it's worth our NW policy with personal cover (travelling in any vehicle) plus EU costs £142 / year which seems reasonable.

Having said that I had an unfortunate experience with Britannia last week - recounted elsewhere.

Posted on 07/04/2023 13:11

When we checked with Britannia, caravan cover was extra in Europe. Strangely too, they wouldn’t add it into the schedule until less than one month before departure. I don’t ever remember such complication in the past. Though we’ve had a lay off foreign travel for over ten years. 

iansoady replied on 08/04/2023 09:59

Posted on 08/04/2023 09:59

That's very strange. As far as I can see the cover is exactly the same as it's always been. Here is the link to download the policy details: https://www.lv.com/-/insurance/media/gi/breakdown-insurance/pdfs/33621-2021_bi19_-_risk_policy_wording.pdf?la=en&u=20210915121454

Section B - vehicles includes the wording:

"Caravans and trailers – your cover includes any caravan or trailer that is attached to your vehicle at the time of the vehicle breakdown, unless the breakdown occurs at your home address or the normal place of garaging or within a ¼ of a mile of that address or the location at which your caravan or trailer is normally stored. Caravans and trailers must be fitted with a standard 50 millimetre ball coupling. All caravans and trailers must meet the requirements of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986."

This also appears in the definition of "vehicles":

"any mechanically propelled vehicle, registered in the UK, that requires insurance for use on the public highway as specified under the Road Traffic Act 1988 and does not exceed any of the following dimensions when fully loaded:
Caravans and trailers - 8 metres in length (including A-frame)."

ValDa replied on 10/04/2023 07:44

Posted on 08/04/2023 09:59 by iansoady

That's very strange. As far as I can see the cover is exactly the same as it's always been. Here is the link to download the policy details: https://www.lv.com/-/insurance/media/gi/breakdown-insurance/pdfs/33621-2021_bi19_-_risk_policy_wording.pdf?la=en&u=20210915121454

Section B - vehicles includes the wording:

"Caravans and trailers – your cover includes any caravan or trailer that is attached to your vehicle at the time of the vehicle breakdown, unless the breakdown occurs at your home address or the normal place of garaging or within a ¼ of a mile of that address or the location at which your caravan or trailer is normally stored. Caravans and trailers must be fitted with a standard 50 millimetre ball coupling. All caravans and trailers must meet the requirements of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986."

This also appears in the definition of "vehicles":

"any mechanically propelled vehicle, registered in the UK, that requires insurance for use on the public highway as specified under the Road Traffic Act 1988 and does not exceed any of the following dimensions when fully loaded:
Caravans and trailers - 8 metres in length (including A-frame)."

Posted on 10/04/2023 07:44

The key words being 'attached to the vehicle'.  Red Pennant appears to cover more than this, or did in the past, so in the event of (say) flooding of a campsite where the car isn't affected, because it's been driven off site to safety,  Red Pennant used to repatriate the damaged caravan.  I remember floods in the Var area some years ago, which we narrowly escaped, when the Caravan Club Red Pennant 'agent' helped lots of people get their caravan damage sorted.  However, I'm not sure this would still happen with their new policy underwriters.   Certainly reading some recent posts on other caravanning groups, more people are unhappy with Red Pennant because they no longer got the service they expected either from their personal cover, car cover, or caravan cover.

allanandjean replied on 10/04/2023 16:36

Posted on 10/04/2023 16:36

We took out RP a few times-it was the reason we joined the club back in 1991-and called on it twice.

Once was in the days when our bank cards did  not have a chip in them and all the enroute filling stations I tried were automated-so we ran out just short of Dieppe.

Second was when a replacement tyre was flown out to France as it was impossible to get a like for like replacement..

Both times the service was very good however, like may I have moved away from RP, largely due to finding a better value, for us, product.

When our car was out of warranty, which included European recovery, and out travel insurance quote more than doubled we looked at the options and decided on the Nationwide Flex Plus account which gives Worldwide travel cover, including cruises, European Breakdown and mobile phone cover for £13/month.

There are additional costs, such as 70+ and trips over 31 days but I do regular comparisons and its still the best-for us.

Stato replied on 11/04/2023 09:51

Posted on 11/04/2023 09:51

ValDa is absolutely right. The key phrase is "attached to the vehicle". In many cases, as happened to me last year, a breakdown will occur when you are away from your caravan site. Your car may well be recovered, but you will be left to sort out your caravan yourself. That could be extremely difficult and/or expensive. I suspect many of the breakdown policies that people sign up to are not "caravan friendly". The other issue is are you covered with faults to the caravan (ie brakes, hitch etc).

The only caravan friendly policies that I am aware of are Red Pennant and the C&CC/RAC Arrival. I think there is at least one other. It may be Staysure, I can't remember. 

The issues I had with Red Pennant last year were not "third party" issues. They were mainly with how Red Pennant dealt with my issue. Hence my decision to try Arrival this year. It's cheaper as well. 

eurortraveller replied on 11/04/2023 10:44

Posted on 05/04/2023 12:36 by Stato

You are right GTP. There are other options available that are well worth checking out.

One thing to bear in mind though, especially for us tuggers, is you must make sure your breakdown cover is "caravan friendly". This is, obviously, very very important. You need to make sure your caravan will be recovered in the event of your car breaking down whilst you are away from your caravan. And, of course, you will need your caravan covered in case you gave any issues with that  (breaks, hitch etc). The C&CC/RAC policy covers all that. I assume Staysure does too. Many "bog standard" breakdown policies will not.

Please don't think I'm just knocking the Club and Red Pennant for the sake of it. I'm not. But I've got to be honest and say that the service I received was poor. The follow up to my initial complaint wasn't handled very well either. That was just adding insult to injury. 

Posted on 11/04/2023 10:44

Stato,  Your post might mislead readers. Sorry.

Staysure is a personal travel insurance not a motor breakdown recovery insurance .

For caravanners there is no need to stick to breakdown/recovery policies from one or other of the two Clubs. For example there are policies from Eurobreakdown, and for a caravan insured with Safeguard there is an add on caravan breakdown/recovery policy costing only £65 per year.

For Motorhomers there are options of including brealdown/recovery as a package with normal annual insurance. Many motorhomers insure with Comfort, but there are others.

Nevertheless I hope you have a trouble free journey.

 

Stato replied on 11/04/2023 12:25

Posted on 11/04/2023 12:25

Thank you eurotraveller.

It was indeed Safeguard I meant to say, not Staysure. And as you imply,  Eurobreakdown appear to be "caravan friendly" as well so that may well be worth checking out.

I don't know about all the others like Nationwide etc, but would urge everybody to check the smallprint, tedious though that is.

 

 

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