Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

LLM replied on 25/01/2021 19:00

Posted on 25/01/2021 14:27 by ocsid

Without doing more than reading the OP, is not the concept flawed from the start in that CLs along with similar 5 van sites are generally covered by the exemption provisions of "Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960"?

This deals with providing "camping", not enabling the running of a motorhome or caravan servicing facility. Doing as suggested would require getting LA planning Control consent for a business based on that activity.

IMO, few present 5 van sites owners operating under the provisions of the act, are going to go to the expense of getting LA authority consent. That's basically why they are presently exempted sites not licensed sites, they don't want the hassle. 

If they did it "on the quiet", firstly you would not know they did offer that if they can't admit it, and the holder of their exemption certificate, here the CMC would come down like a ton of bricks on any reported  such activity, knowing the LA would be straight onto them and so risk losing the certification.

I think it has been proposed on a "want" without any understanding the nature of these site's licensing situation.

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:00

Can you explain why some CL's, yes CL's, operating under exemption certificates provided by other organisations are able to offer the service?

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 19:07

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:00 by LLM

Can you explain why some CL's, yes CL's, operating under exemption certificates provided by other organisations are able to offer the service?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:07

Legally? as i would expect it would come under a "change of use" planning application

LLM replied on 25/01/2021 19:09

Posted on 25/01/2021 18:58 by JVB66

eitherwink

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:09

You clearly don't know the difference then.

replied on 25/01/2021 19:11

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:00 by LLM

Can you explain why some CL's, yes CL's, operating under exemption certificates provided by other organisations are able to offer the service?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:11

I can't but can you show me details of one that does? Can you also show that they are offering the service under that club's exclusion from planning?

I can't say that I have seen anywhere on my travels (other than some CCC sites offering the service and I have not seen much take up. Does not mean that they are not used I appreciate.

LLM replied on 25/01/2021 19:12

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:07 by JVB66

Legally? as i would expect it would come under a "change of use" planning application

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:12

Can you provide a link to the law or regulation that says they can't provide the service under the exemption certificate?

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 19:17

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:12 by LLM

Can you provide a link to the law or regulation that says they can't provide the service under the exemption certificate?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:17

Can you  as i just put forward as posted,"I would expect?" as any business would need to if altering what is allowed by lawundecided

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 19:18

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:09 by LLM

You clearly don't know the difference then.

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:18

You think? as most sites have cess pits/tanks or do think differently?

LLM replied on 25/01/2021 19:26

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:18 by JVB66

You think? as most sites have cess pits or do think differently?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:26

And are those Cesspits pumped out?

replied on 25/01/2021 19:28

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:26 by LLM

And are those Cesspits pumped out?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:28

Don't miss my question please LLM

JVB66 replied on 25/01/2021 19:32

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:26 by LLM

And are those Cesspits pumped out?

Posted on 25/01/2021 19:32

What do you think? as they contain untreated efluent undecided

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