Servicing calls at CLs for Motorcaravans

Biggarmac replied on 18/01/2021 17:08

Posted on 18/01/2021 17:08

In 2020 when lockdown was lifted in July there was a surge of members desperate to get out in their units.  Sites were swamped and in some areas it was impossible to find a site.  Many motorcaravanners who had not previously gone off grid (I refuse to use the term wildcamp) found they had no choice.  I was lucky to get three nights on a CL at Blairgowrie during a 10 night tour. and one night on a commercial campsite in the Great Glen.  On other nights I stayed in Pub carparks where I was able to enjoy a meal, in forestry carparks, on coastal carparks and on friends drives.

The big problem was disposing of wastes and filling with water.  Friends with drives were very helpful, but the problem of lack of the type facilities such as there is on the continent was very evident.

On the continent many campsites allow non residents on to service their units, for a fee.  It could be an additional revenue stream for CL owners to allow passing trade to use their service points.  This would be particularly useful for CLs who are full to supplement their income and to reduce the problems which were seem in many popular tourist hotspots last year.  The owners would need to look at what extra costs they would have for this service and what services they would be able to provide.  For instance how much does 100 litres of water cost on a metered supply?  How much each toilet emptying would add to the cost of sewerage?  How much for emptying a greywater supply of say 80 litres?  For comparison the CCC, on some sites, allow members to use site facilities, empty wastes and fill water for £7.30 (last years price).  That also allows for the use of showers.

This would stop the complaint that one night stopovers to dump and fill are blocking longer bookings.  A drop in facility could be a bonus for both CL owners and Motorcaravanners.

nelliethehooker replied on 21/01/2021 20:17

Posted on 21/01/2021 17:16 by moulesy

"If any CL wishes to offer the service they could do it by letting it be known that it is available at a prearranged time or during certain hours and price."

Fair enough - as a frequent, albeit past, user of club CLs, I'd suggest, say 11:30 to 12:30 to minimise impact on folk actually paying to stay on site and, as per CG's post above, @ £30 a time.

Problem solved! 👍

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:17

But those times are when some on the CLs are generally either leaving or arriving, so any non-stayer would cause problems on some sites, depending where the facilities are of course. How about between 3 and 4 pm when most new arrivals will have set up and before those already staying on the site are returning from their day out.wink

Takethedogalong replied on 21/01/2021 20:29

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:29

I can’t speak for Scotland really as no idea of where BM is touring, and why it was so difficult last year. It does appear that there are less CLs, less BritStop like locations available, but from past experience of touring some areas up there, it doesn’t seem to lack campsites or caravan parks. We were up there three weeks early September and as I said in an earlier post, winged it without booking more than a day ahead, and averaged around £13.50 per night.

I don’t think we will have any problems finding a pitch, we need a lot less than some folks like or need, might need a bit of compromise on locations. There are over 2000 CLs, only Members can use them, and let’s face it, many don’t or won’t for a variety of reasons. What we pay might be a tad more, but really not worried to be honest. Bring it on....😁

LLM replied on 21/01/2021 20:34

Posted on 21/01/2021 19:46 by JVB66

I can just see once word got round that CL/Cs sites (some?) were allowing a dump and fill facility ,it will be accepted by some? that they can do it at all sites and not just members of the clubs?to cause another problem for owners , 

 

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:34

I think I can see your point undecided.  After all:

As some site offer hard standings I expect them all to do so.

As some sites offer EHU I expect them all to do so.

As some sites offer free WIFI I expect them all to do so.

As some site offer fully serviced pitches I expect them all to so.

Etc, etc.

Would you agree?

 

Cornersteady replied on 21/01/2021 20:35

Posted on 21/01/2021 19:12 by peedee

Peedee. Would you mind sharing with us the source / results of the Survey you quoted that had 9,000 motorhomers respondng?

Ted, the survey was conducted by CAMpRA (Campaign for Real Aires) in Novemeber 2020 to sound out the views of the membership which at the time stood at about 10,000 members. Current membership is just over 15,000 and still growing. It is available on their web site in their document library.

A survey is currently ongoing in Germany and France to also seek the views of motorhome owners over there. All the surveys are obviously aimed at gathering more facts reagarding establishing UK Aires. The strategy document also makes interesting reading.

peedee

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:35

Well that does add some important context to your earlier post:

A survey last year in which 9000 owners responded indicated 96 percent of owners were willing to pay £10 per night just to park overnight and would pay more if there were motorhome services available as well.

These 9000 you initially posted were not a random sample that represent all motorhomers but a very biased one, that is they all want Aires as they are campaigning for them.

It's a bit like asking 9000 smokers the price of a pack of cigarettes and should we have more places to buy them. Not saying that MH-ing is the same as smoking but you get the idea?

Saying that 96% of 9000 out of 10000 who want Aires are prepared to pay £10 really tells us nothing about what the general population is prepared to pay? 

LLM replied on 21/01/2021 20:42

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:35 by Cornersteady

Well that does add some important context to your earlier post:

A survey last year in which 9000 owners responded indicated 96 percent of owners were willing to pay £10 per night just to park overnight and would pay more if there were motorhome services available as well.

These 9000 you initially posted were not a random sample that represent all motorhomers but a very biased one, that is they all want Aires as they are campaigning for them.

It's a bit like asking 9000 smokers the price of a pack of cigarettes and should we have more places to buy them. Not saying that MH-ing is the same as smoking but you get the idea?

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:42

What grouping would you suggest that they asked?

JVB66 replied on 21/01/2021 20:49

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:34 by LLM

I think I can quite see your point.  After all:

As some site offer hard standings I expect them all to do so.

As some sites offer EHU I expect them all to do so.

As some sites offer free WIFI I expect them all to do so.

As some site offer fully serviced pitches I expect them all to so.

Etc, etc.

Would you agree?

 

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:49

Some members of both major clubs, expect all the facilities you mention on all both clubs sites now , and that is  although when going to book it does advise what is availablewink 

some friends of ours regaled us at several  in van or at home visits the unbelievable antics of members, when on both faciity and non facility sitessurprised 

Like walking round a non facility site in dressing gown looking for the shower blockwink

peedee replied on 21/01/2021 20:56

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:56

Actually  my post wasn't correct which shows how little notice CS has taken of it.

The survey was  carried out in September and publshed in November and was advertised widely on social media. I definitely recall seeing it on "Fun" the largest UK motorhome forum on the web.I believe it was also advertised on Pub Stopovers.

peedee

Cornersteady replied on 21/01/2021 21:19

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:56 by peedee

Actually  my post wasn't correct which shows how little notice CS has taken of it.

The survey was  carried out in September and publshed in November and was advertised widely on social media. I definitely recall seeing it on "Fun" the largest UK motorhome forum on the web.I believe it was also advertised on Pub Stopovers.

peedee

Posted on 21/01/2021 21:19

No I did notice your corrected post on page 9  as I said prepared to pay in the last part of my post . You said acceptable I recall?

Either way, in your original and corrected post, you cannot deny it is a very biased sample and really cannot be taken as representing the general population of all MH.

All those responding were members of one particular group and one group that is campaigning for Aires. One cannot say it really represents anything but their own interests in the matter. It is hardly surprising that  96% were in favour of a course of action that would benefit them?

As I said a bit like asking smokers about if they are in favour of something to do with smoking.

I really am neutral on this topic either way, but I think that posts should give a balanced viewpoint?

 

LLM replied on 21/01/2021 21:20

Posted on 21/01/2021 20:56 by peedee

Actually  my post wasn't correct which shows how little notice CS has taken of it.

The survey was  carried out in September and publshed in November and was advertised widely on social media. I definitely recall seeing it on "Fun" the largest UK motorhome forum on the web.I believe it was also advertised on Pub Stopovers.

peedee

Posted on 21/01/2021 21:20

LoL.  Thanks for the clarification PD smile.  I seem to remember seeing it on the 'Fun'.  Some 47,000 members I believe, plenty in the UK and many in other countries wink.

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