Network Shrinkage

cyberyacht replied on 11/01/2018 17:09

Posted on 11/01/2018 17:09

I see from the current magazine that we have lost a further 13 CLs with no new ones at all this month. Particularly disconcerting is that yet another one that I have visited has closed. I'm beginning to wonder if a visit from me is the "kiss of death".

Why are we seeing this inexorable decline? Is it the increasing desire for full facilities which make it uneconomic for small operators, a shortage of "a new generation of adventurers"or whatever that buzzphrase was, the minimal cash return that make owners think "it's not worth the bother" or is it really all my fault?

JVB66 replied on 06/02/2018 19:32

Posted on 30/01/2018 09:38 by PITCHTOCLOSE

Nail on the head,all these new vans need electrical hook up,need water connection, hard standing.... when in fact they should be self contained only needing a patch of grass to rest on, use of fresh water tap somewhere and an area for waste disposal, the decline will continue brought on by caravan owners wanting more when in fact with a modern van you require less.

Posted on 06/02/2018 19:32

But the most vocal of LV owners want more and more all singing /dancing sites even if they have all their own facilities,so until all the organisations involved in 5van sites( as per the present legislation)get their heads together and all lobby govenment to increase the amount of units allowed ,and make it worthwhile for owners to invest in upgrading their site,to cater for the modern RV owners then there will be a continual loss to all networks 

CLMaddie replied on 07/02/2018 17:03

Posted on 07/02/2018 17:03

Hi All

For some years now the Club has made it a requirement of running a CL that owners provide us with proof that they are adequately insured and have had safety checks done on both Electric Hook Ups and non-mains water supplies (if it’s relevant to their site). 

This has proved to be a major and very labour intensive piece of work for the CL’s department but the Club has a responsibility here to ensure owners are complying with Health & Safety requirements to protect both members and themselves.

 Sites are certificated due to the Club’s exemption status and these certificates run on an annual basis from 1st January to 31st December each year regardless of whether a site is open all year or for just part of that year. We ask all sites to prove to us that they have up-to-date annual Public Liability Insurance cover and other safety certificates in place for the beginning of each New Year when we re-certificate. If we don’t know a site is safe we cannot issue them with their annual certificate.

For sites that have not been certificated for 2018 we have temporarily withdrawn them from the website to make it clear to members that they are unavailable.

This is a new process for 2018 and I am sure members and owners alike appreciate that we cannot ‘advertise’ a site until it is certificated by us as it could result in either members staying on site or bookings being made prior to our annual approval of the site. 

 We are pleased to say that this year, 95% of owners have provided us with the correct ‘paperwork’ to date which has allowed the seamless continuity of running their site. 

We work hard to work with local land owners to provide a large network of CL’s across the UK. We are continually introducing new sites with improved facilities for members to enjoy, but equally we must have some constraints about how we operate our Certification.

The limit of 5 vans on a CL site is governed by Natural England and the Club is not in a position to seek amendments to Government legislation which dictates our 5 van rule restriction.

We do appreciate that there are CL owners who wish to increase the size of their sites, and to do that a commercial license is required. We do all we can as a team to work with the owner to see if the CL can be retained alongside a commercial venture, but this is not always possible.

 

Thank you

Maddie

nelliethehooker replied on 07/02/2018 19:37

Posted on 07/02/2018 19:37

The limit of 5 vans on a CL site is governed by Natural England and the Club is not in a position to seek amendments to Government legislation which dictates our 5 van rule restriction.

Why is the club not in a position to seek amendments to the legislation? Surely, along with the C&CC, this should be the sort of thing that the clubs be trying to do, in one form or another.  

Fisherman replied on 07/02/2018 19:40

Posted on 07/02/2018 19:40

Typical HO twaddle. All talk no action.

JVB66 replied on 07/02/2018 20:24

Posted on 07/02/2018 19:40 by Fisherman

Typical HO twaddle. All talk no action.

Posted on 07/02/2018 20:24

Looks like you do not like the truth when given to you,shame things are not as "simple" as some would like to think,

replied on 07/02/2018 20:35

Posted on 07/02/2018 20:35

The CC is in a position to lobby government and ministers just like other self interest groups do.

neveramsure replied on 07/02/2018 20:49

Posted on 07/02/2018 20:49

Just as I predicted earlier in this thread, we get finger pointing by those who use their on-board facilities and expect that we should all do the same.

I am  a regular CL user and my preference is for a shower and a toilet, that is my and many others choice. Obviously I expect to pay more for these facilities, they still work out much cheaper than CMC sites and are usually quieter often with a personal touch.

I spoke to a Motorhome owner recently who looked puzzled when I said that I stayed on 5 pitch CL sites, she had no idea they existed.

One day she may be right.yell

Come on HO, help your CL network before it's too late.

 

JVB66 replied on 07/02/2018 22:21

Posted on 07/02/2018 20:35 by

The CC is in a position to lobby government and ministers just like other self interest groups do.

Posted on 07/02/2018 22:21

But as I posted earlier there is little chance of anything being changed until All the organisations who hold excemption certificates give a united front then nothing  will change, the cc might be the largest but there are numerous others out there also who could also do something

DavidKlyne replied on 08/02/2018 00:13

Posted on 08/02/2018 00:13

The limit of 5 vans on a CL site is governed by Natural England and the Club is not in a position to seek amendments to Government legislation which dictates our 5 van rule restriction.

Maddie

With respect that seems to be an excuse by the Club for doing nothing. Surely the Club has a view on that question? I think we all understand how the current law is but it has existed for many, many years and things do need reviewing from time to time. Maybe an approach to Natural England might draw a negative response but unless that approach is made we have no idea what their current thinking is on the subject. It may well be that they want to maintain the status quo but unless we talk to them about it how do we know? Perhap the Club should allow its CL's to accept tents as well just like the C&CC which might protect some from closure on economic grounds?

David

replied on 08/02/2018 08:29

Posted on 08/02/2018 08:29

I doubt that there are a significant number of tenters that are members of CC David

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