Exceeding 5 vans

Cherokee2015 replied on 17/07/2020 22:26

Posted on 17/07/2020 22:26

I’m wondering how manŷ CLs will break the 5 van rule over coming weeks now that most if us are back to vanning and demand is high.   I suspect quite a few will to try and recoup some of their lost income.    In a way, I can see why they would do it but at the end of the day, their licence is for 5 vans although many have room for more.     Would you report them - I suspect not?      

We’ve arrived on site tonight- booked over a year ago.   The CL has two separate sites, one has 7 vans in on it and the other has 6.  The owner joked with us that he hoped the inspector didn’t call.   I won’t report it as I really like the site and  it does have room so would hate to see it removed but are rules rules?

Interested in your thoughts 

replied on 20/07/2020 17:26

Posted on 20/07/2020 17:15 by Tinwheeler

At present, CY, this club can’t even cope with communicating simple facts to members. Do you honestly feel they'd welcome such a suggestion at this time?

I rather think the Govt also has its hands full dealing with other matters at present.

Posted on 20/07/2020 17:26

It managed to communicate to members by e-mail asking that they kept up their memberships though smile

eurortraveller replied on 20/07/2020 18:27

Posted on 20/07/2020 18:27

The pleas for a change in the law to allow more than 5 vans have been going on for 20 years. It won't happen in my lifetime. 

The way forward is in the hands of individual farmers who have land and are looking to diversify. An example I have quoted before is Ashe Farm, just off the M5 at Taunton. They have a lovely website, with lovely photographs, and 30 pitches spread across two fields with lots of space. The customers love it and sing their praises in the reviews. 

The best thing is to leave CLs as they are and let them gently dwindle. But they are the past not the future. 

DavidKlyne replied on 20/07/2020 21:37

Posted on 20/07/2020 21:37

The Certificated system gives those able to issue them quite a lot of power which providing they stay within the rules there is very little challenge. From what the Club has said before on this issue it suggests a fear that promoting any changes, however sensible, could provoke a completely new look at the system which could result taking away of that delegated power. Is it possible that the Club's don't, from time to time, have discussions with the authorities on this subject and perhaps they don't like the direction of travel from what they hear? From a CL operator point of view I would imagine there would be some support for a doubling of capacity to 10 pitches assuming the amount of space allowed for that number. But if it opens a can of worms is it worth it? 

David

Tinwheeler replied on 20/07/2020 22:09

Posted on 20/07/2020 22:09

I think the effort would be better spent in encouraging the opening of new CLs and in providing help and advice to keep existing ones open.

forsythia replied on 20/07/2020 22:17

Posted on 20/07/2020 22:17

We always use c.l.s  not only because they are cheaper and are in some really nice locations but mainly because we really like the atmosphere of only having 5 vans! these sites are much more relaxing  and peaceful and we book them because of this,as I'm sure many others do!

replied on 20/07/2020 22:30

Posted on 20/07/2020 21:37 by DavidKlyne

The Certificated system gives those able to issue them quite a lot of power which providing they stay within the rules there is very little challenge. From what the Club has said before on this issue it suggests a fear that promoting any changes, however sensible, could provoke a completely new look at the system which could result taking away of that delegated power. Is it possible that the Club's don't, from time to time, have discussions with the authorities on this subject and perhaps they don't like the direction of travel from what they hear? From a CL operator point of view I would imagine there would be some support for a doubling of capacity to 10 pitches assuming the amount of space allowed for that number. But if it opens a can of worms is it worth it? 

David

Posted on 20/07/2020 22:30

From what the Club has said before on this issue it suggests a fear that promoting any changes, however sensible, could provoke a completely new look at the system which could result taking away of that delegated power

I can think of no time when, as at present trying to escape a pandemic and to support small business, an adverse effect is less likely

Vulcan replied on 21/07/2020 10:18

Posted on 21/07/2020 10:18

Do people who advocate making CL numbers larger understand the advantages of the certification scheme which is unique in allowing a site to be set up without planning permission with inherent limitations, believe me there are many people in planning departments up and down the country that would jump at the chance to stop an unfair advantage to a certain section of the leisure industry as they see it. At the end of the day we would end up with the certification system been abolished and more larger sites which can still be achieved now by any CL owner who wishes to apply for planning permission for a larger site.

 

JVB66 replied on 21/07/2020 11:28

Posted on 21/07/2020 10:18 by Vulcan

Do people who advocate making CL numbers larger understand the advantages of the certification scheme which is unique in allowing a site to be set up without planning permission with inherent limitations, believe me there are many people in planning departments up and down the country that would jump at the chance to stop an unfair advantage to a certain section of the leisure industry as they see it. At the end of the day we would end up with the certification system been abolished and more larger sites which can still be achieved now by any CL owner who wishes to apply for planning permission for a larger site.

 

Posted on 21/07/2020 11:28

Very true there are enough nimbys , who would put up an objection when full  planning permission would be needed

Fisherman replied on 21/07/2020 12:36

Posted on 21/07/2020 12:36

Quite the reverse. A planning application for a small tourist site does not even go before the planning committee unless there are proper objections but dealt with by the planning officers under their devolved powers even in a Nat Park. Who in their right mind would contemplate a new Cl with say Hard Standings and EHU and be constrained by 5 units. The planning fee is inconsequential in the costings and there are Government quangos who will prepare the planning application free for you. That is the reality hence the accelerated demise of CL's

JVB66 replied on 21/07/2020 13:44

Posted on 21/07/2020 12:36 by Fisherman

Quite the reverse. A planning application for a small tourist site does not even go before the planning committee unless there are proper objections but dealt with by the planning officers under their devolved powers even in a Nat Park. Who in their right mind would contemplate a new Cl with say Hard Standings and EHU and be constrained by 5 units. The planning fee is inconsequential in the costings and there are Government quangos who will prepare the planning application free for you. That is the reality hence the accelerated demise of CL's

Posted on 21/07/2020 13:44

As posted there are enough nimbys around who would object , even in welsh villages  surprised

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