CL Closed for The Year

harryb replied on 26/06/2020 18:19

Posted on 26/06/2020 18:19

I have just had an email from a cl owner saying sorry but he has to cancel our booking for 7 nights on the 23rd Aug because he has decided not to reopen until next year. He was terribly sorry but had made the decision after studying the Covid 19 secure protocols sent to him by the CMHC on 23rd June.

He didn’t go into details but he was worried about the advice given after studying the implications and requirements should someone have to self-isolate on his site are very worrying.

For someone to be worried enough to make that decision begs the question,  what does this advice imply on club sites?

Have all people going away from the 4th onwards thought of this. I know I hadn’t

AnnB replied on 28/06/2020 08:30

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:30

Forgot to say that I can understand the uncertainty of CL owners.  The guidance on the Gov.UK site that covers camp sites is 40+ pages long. That’s because it also covers Hotels etc and therefore has to be pretty broad, and the first dozen pages or so relate to conducting a risk assessment.  It looks much worse that it actually is

eurortraveller replied on 28/06/2020 08:32

Posted on 27/06/2020 07:15 by Oneputt

2 x CL,s close to us not reopening this year

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:32

I am not a bit surprised.

I can imagine virus outbreaks developing in hotspots in parts of the country and people there who may be infected wanting to go off to a CL to get away from it. I doubt if CL owners would want unknown, untested visitors arriving.

Rufs replied on 28/06/2020 08:37

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:23 by AnnB

They wouldn’t need to test all the people on site though.  The Test and Trace info says that if someone has symptoms they should arrange a test and self isolate for 7 days.  Should the test prove positive the 7 days extends to 14 and they will give details of their ‘close’ contacts.

A close contact is anyone they have been ‘face to face’ with at a distance of less than one metre or who they have spent ‘more than 5 minutes with at less than 2 metres’.

As long as all comply with this they would not be ‘contacts’ and therefore not have to self isolate.

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:37

I did not mention symptoms, i said

If somebody should prove positive on a club site

but you are correct

Should the test prove positive the 7 days extends to 14 and they will give details of their ‘close’ contacts.

so if this person(s) and we have to assume the pural, if they have been living in close proximty with others in an LV, and they have all been using the site facilities, then anybody who has also used the site facilities, which could extend to dog walk, waste disposal area etc could all potentially have been in contact, nothing to do with distance, more to do with surface contact, or air borne in places like hot showers. I know the odds are now something like 2000/1 of coming into contact with somebody who is infected, but undecided

and what about the local area if this scenario pans out, you would have to track and trace many people possibly not associated with the site.

replied on 28/06/2020 08:49

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:49

and what about the local area if this scenario pans out, you would have to track and trace many people possibly not associated with the site.
 

Not at all. No more that if somebody using local Asda contracts Covid you would have to test all using the store. You fetch water etc and you wash hands thoroughly. 

No different than I go to supermarket, come out, pack car, sanitise hands, drive home OH lets me in and the first words out of her lips will be 'don't forget to wash your hands.

I personally would not be using site showers at present but that is just me

Rufs replied on 28/06/2020 09:05

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:49 by

and what about the local area if this scenario pans out, you would have to track and trace many people possibly not associated with the site.
 

Not at all. No more that if somebody using local Asda contracts Covid you would have to test all using the store. You fetch water etc and you wash hands thoroughly. 

No different than I go to supermarket, come out, pack car, sanitise hands, drive home OH lets me in and the first words out of her lips will be 'don't forget to wash your hands.

I personally would not be using site showers at present but that is just me

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:05

Unfortunately there are many out there who are not as fastidious as you when it comes to personal hygene, and i say that in the nicest possible way, and of course there is a very good chance that there will be many of the younger generation on site, and i know from experience, lets say, how forgetful they can be

AnnB replied on 28/06/2020 09:07

Posted on 28/06/2020 08:37 by Rufs

I did not mention symptoms, i said

If somebody should prove positive on a club site

but you are correct

Should the test prove positive the 7 days extends to 14 and they will give details of their ‘close’ contacts.

so if this person(s) and we have to assume the pural, if they have been living in close proximty with others in an LV, and they have all been using the site facilities, then anybody who has also used the site facilities, which could extend to dog walk, waste disposal area etc could all potentially have been in contact, nothing to do with distance, more to do with surface contact, or air borne in places like hot showers. I know the odds are now something like 2000/1 of coming into contact with somebody who is infected, but undecided

and what about the local area if this scenario pans out, you would have to track and trace many people possibly not associated with the site.

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:07

Not if everyone had good hygiene practices and maintained social distancing,  Nowhere in the guidance does it say that anyone other than ‘close’ contacts would be asked to self isolate.  If you applied your theory on ‘surfaces’ and casual ‘walk byes’ on sites/dog walking area then we would all be self isolating.  

replied on 28/06/2020 09:19

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:05 by Rufs

Unfortunately there are many out there who are not as fastidious as you when it comes to personal hygene, and i say that in the nicest possible way, and of course there is a very good chance that there will be many of the younger generation on site, and i know from experience, lets say, how forgetful they can be

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:19

I would not be fastidious in normal times. When shopping I choose the tin at the back and take my meat from the bottom of the stack in the fridges.

 

Rufs replied on 28/06/2020 09:24

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:24

Not if everyone had good hygiene practices and maintained social distancing,

But unfortunately they dont

Nowhere in the guidance does it say that anyone other than ‘close’ contacts would be asked to self isolate.

and my anology would be for those using on-site facilities which would be classed as "close" contact e.g. showering, using the loo in facilities where showers and loo's are combined, i know you would expect everybody to wear some sort of protection e.g. disposable gloves when emptying their rubbish into a bin, or emptying the loo cartridge, but will they ?, open the gate to dog walk area, lift up the waste disposal lid without protection and you run the risk of contaminating the services if you are infected, even if you are not suffering from the effects of corvid-19.

replied on 28/06/2020 09:29

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:24 by Rufs

Not if everyone had good hygiene practices and maintained social distancing,

But unfortunately they dont

Nowhere in the guidance does it say that anyone other than ‘close’ contacts would be asked to self isolate.

and my anology would be for those using on-site facilities which would be classed as "close" contact e.g. showering, using the loo in facilities where showers and loo's are combined, i know you would expect everybody to wear some sort of protection e.g. disposable gloves when emptying their rubbish into a bin, or emptying the loo cartridge, but will they ?, open the gate to dog walk area, lift up the waste disposal lid without protection and you run the risk of contaminating the services if you are infected, even if you are not suffering from the effects of corvid-19.

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:29

I don't wear gloves and assume that all surfaces outside of my own home are contaminated. 

AnnB replied on 28/06/2020 09:42

Posted on 28/06/2020 09:42

Rufs, but the Test and Trace aren’t using your analogy.  You original post was referring to the whole site having to self isolate but that wouldn’t happen.

I agree with ET, I don’t use gloves, they are just another way to cross contaminate, I use soap and water.  I’m booked for a main site next Sunday, will take all the the precautions I take now at home and will restrict travel to local sites that I can get home to in an hour should I start to feel unwell.  
I would do exactly the same on a CL, avoid shower blocks (were they open), use my own facilities and keep clear of others - even easier to do on a small 5 van site.

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