February Magazine - Nick Lomas EVs

RollerMan181 replied on 29/01/2021 12:55

Posted on 29/01/2021 12:55

I started to read the Nick Lomas' article published in this month’s magazine regarding the transition towards electric vehicles with scepticism at first. Having owned two electric vehicles for over 4 years, I have seen so much biased reporting by ill informed journalists or in journals with “other” agendas that are clearly out to recredit EVs, that I thought here we go again.

So it started off well, then I got to the bombshell. The article states that running costs are lower and implies that, this will go a long way to offset the initial costs of purchase.  Very true, in my case, the cost of the lease and low charging costs mean that I can run an EV for much less than that of a comparable petrol or diesel car. Then he states that it costs £20 to charge “at home”!  Where on earth did he get that figure from? Well done he just may have alienated thousands of potential people thinking about converting to an EV.

Please find below the true cost of charging at home on an Economy 7 tariff

KIA SOUL EV (30KWh battery). To charge from 50% to 100%  will give a total range of 130 miles in summer, 100 miles in winter)

DAY RATE £2.47 plus vat @5%

NIGHT RATE £1.59 plus vat @5%

The latest KIA SOUL EV, (64KWh battery) for comparison will do more than twice the range, so to charge from 50% to 100% :-

DAY RATE £5.28 plus vat @5%

NIGHT RATE £2.97 plus vat @5%

I have Economy 7 tariff and additionally I have solar panels, so when the sun is shining, any excess electricity goes in to my car. So I can charge for free sometimes. Even at Public chargers that charge 30p per KW, I’ve never got anywhere near paying £20. Last year I did 10k miles for less than £300.

So to allow people to make informed decisions,  could you please add a correction in next month's magazine.

 David Bell

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lornalou1 replied on 15/02/2021 12:56

Posted on 15/02/2021 12:56

The government are already looking at how they will recoupe loses as more and more buy EV's. They are already loosing millions as not getting duty on fuel and no road tax. Whatever happens the car driver will always be out of pocket. 

DavidKlyne replied on 15/02/2021 15:13

Posted on 15/02/2021 12:56 by lornalou1

The government are already looking at how they will recoupe loses as more and more buy EV's. They are already loosing millions as not getting duty on fuel and no road tax. Whatever happens the car driver will always be out of pocket. 

Posted on 15/02/2021 15:13

I think motorists always complain about how much they are charged in taxes!!! In 2013 I paid £1.40 a litre for diesel but the last time I filled up at the end of 2020 I paid £1.15 a litre. I don't hear anyone saying that fuel is too cheap now? I can't see fossil fuels like petrol and diesel getting anymore expensive, if anything with the increasing numbers of LV's you could see the price get even lower. Where the Government has made a mistake in recent years is not applying any sort of price escalator on fuel duties to allow for inflation. So if they have it in mind to increase fuel duties now it will come as a bigger shock to motorists. The Government will have to change the way it does things as LV's start to be the dominant type of vehicle. They can't tax electricity as that would impact of domestic prices. As most people will be able to charge at home I don't see how they could do that. Eventually they introduce a VED tax for EV's but I imagine that is a few years off. As I mentioned upthread I imagine road pricing will be the main way Governments raise revenues from drivers in the future. Given that its unlikely all roads will be priced the same and time of day may make a difference then the motorist will have a degree of choice in how much it costs them, a choice they don't have at the moment.

David

JVB66 replied on 15/02/2021 15:24

Posted on 15/02/2021 15:24

I think your "most people will be able to charge at home " does not compute ,when most house building from the 1950s has been to cram as many properties as possible in the smallest possible space without space to park vehicles, even the new estates being built now are not future EV charging friendly ,  even not seem to be built with cars in mind as how many now only have one vehicle

trellis replied on 15/02/2021 18:45

Posted on 15/02/2021 18:45

My job takes me to numerous new build sites , I'm noticing more communial parking areas . What I'm not seeing are EV charging points being installed into the bays , which would be easy to do in a sites early stages . It appears to me the government are making the right noises , but the building trade isn't  listening.

DavidKlyne replied on 15/02/2021 20:53

Posted on 15/02/2021 18:45 by trellis

My job takes me to numerous new build sites , I'm noticing more communial parking areas . What I'm not seeing are EV charging points being installed into the bays , which would be easy to do in a sites early stages . It appears to me the government are making the right noises , but the building trade isn't  listening.

Posted on 15/02/2021 20:53

I expect its a local authority issue. There are lots of grants available to include the infrastructure, here in MK we have the highest number of charging points outside of London. Having said that not many of them are at individual houses so I imagine people will have to go to a charging facilities, perhaps like that rather swish one,  in Essex I think, which is like a garage forecourt. For anyone with a property where a charging point could be installed I am pretty sure there is  grant from Government  which covers a fair slice of the cost. 

David

JVB66 replied on 15/02/2021 21:10

Posted on 15/02/2021 18:45 by trellis

My job takes me to numerous new build sites , I'm noticing more communial parking areas . What I'm not seeing are EV charging points being installed into the bays , which would be easy to do in a sites early stages . It appears to me the government are making the right noises , but the building trade isn't  listening.

Posted on 15/02/2021 21:10

It is what many are in this area are finding, and even the transport minister or ours and several. others of our friends LAs have no real plan it seems, to enable convenient charging of EVs, and they agree with what I have noticed with new build  housing estates, even when HMG expect the UK to change to EVs in the future 

Just one example is the road we live there are Over 200 houses and  there is 7 houses that can have any chance of charging at the property

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 15/02/2021 23:16

Posted on 15/02/2021 23:16

You’ll go to ‘fuel stations’ the fuel being electric not diesel or petrol. Folk don’t have diesel or petrol pumps on their property so they don’t need electric charge points. We will manage it as we do all vehicle fuel. When it gets low-fill it up👍🏻

trellis replied on 16/02/2021 08:16

Posted on 16/02/2021 08:16

But it's going to take a lot longer than 5 minutes to charge a vehicle , I can see massive queues forming .

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 16/02/2021 08:40

Posted on 16/02/2021 08:16 by trellis

But it's going to take a lot longer than 5 minutes to charge a vehicle , I can see massive queues forming .

Posted on 16/02/2021 08:40

You are thinking for 2021, when oil burners are banned the charging system will be up to speed👍🏻. 14 years is a lifetime in technology advancement terms.

JVB66 replied on 16/02/2021 10:36

Posted on 16/02/2021 08:40 by Rocky 2 buckets

You are thinking for 2021, when oil burners are banned the charging system will be up to speed👍🏻. 14 years is a lifetime in technology advancement terms.

Posted on 16/02/2021 10:36

When EVs Can do what a diesel engined car will do in mpg with a c/van on the hook, then it may be a possible alternative surprised

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