Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

ChocolateTrees replied on 09/12/2021 08:31

Posted on 08/12/2021 15:11 by NutsyH

Brue

I don't have a link. I saw it on the news and in Sky news app. The point I am making is that it will enable the energy supplier to identify the amount of leccie used for charging, and tax it at a different rate to the current household vat of 5%, if so instructed by HMG.

Posted on 09/12/2021 08:31

It really doesn’t enable that at all. The charger is a) completely independent of the supply company b) does not have to have any kind of monitoring or maintenance by a third party to be classed as smart c) doesn’t not prohibit the use of any kind of “dumb” charger, d) prevent the user from disabling any kind of smart features.

The entire point of a smart charger is to give users the tools to charge a car using the cheapest (most abundant and green) energy available, without having to get up in the middle of the night, and to allow for possible temporary turning off of chargers at peak times to ease load on the grid. 

Anyone charging a car at home is almost certainly doing this already as it is significantly cheaper to charge your car at night. 

 

viatorem replied on 09/12/2021 09:40

Posted on 09/12/2021 09:40

I rarely run my towcar down to under 1/4 tank which leaves me a towing range of around 85 miles, the thought of arriving with a 20 mile range with the current charging infrastructure would need some adjustment in thinking for me at least. What if there's a traffic jam, a diversion, a headwind I can see that preplanning relieves stress but I guess we all have different thresholds 😉 A neighbour with a Jag EV has complained of several inoperable charge points on his longer journeys plus one instance of incompatible software where he needed to visit a dealer to update in order to work with some specific charge points. I know it will eventually come to us towers but I don't think I will be an early adopter.

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Posted on 09/12/2021 09:40 by viatorem

I rarely run my towcar down to under 1/4 tank which leaves me a towing range of around 85 miles, the thought of arriving with a 20 mile range with the current charging infrastructure would need some adjustment in thinking for me at least. What if there's a traffic jam, a diversion, a headwind I can see that preplanning relieves stress but I guess we all have different thresholds 😉 A neighbour with a Jag EV has complained of several inoperable charge points on his longer journeys plus one instance of incompatible software where he needed to visit a dealer to update in order to work with some specific charge points. I know it will eventually come to us towers but I don't think I will be an early adopter.

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NutsyH replied on 09/12/2021 14:46

Posted on 09/12/2021 08:31 by ChocolateTrees

It really doesn’t enable that at all. The charger is a) completely independent of the supply company b) does not have to have any kind of monitoring or maintenance by a third party to be classed as smart c) doesn’t not prohibit the use of any kind of “dumb” charger, d) prevent the user from disabling any kind of smart features.

The entire point of a smart charger is to give users the tools to charge a car using the cheapest (most abundant and green) energy available, without having to get up in the middle of the night, and to allow for possible temporary turning off of chargers at peak times to ease load on the grid. 

Anyone charging a car at home is almost certainly doing this already as it is significantly cheaper to charge your car at night. 

 

Posted on 09/12/2021 14:46

Time will tell. You are very optimistic.

hitchglitch replied on 13/12/2021 16:06

Posted on 13/12/2021 16:06

This is a really useful report. Many thanks for taking the time to put it together.

Several of my golfing friends own or have ordered EVs as “Company cars” (salary sacrifice). It’s rather a no-brainer at the moment with the minimal BIK tax.

Towing a caravan is about the toughest trial for an EV and it will be a while before it becomes financially viable for most caravanners to adopt an EV rather than a diesel car, however, the fact is that most journeys in the UK are short distance. I have owned an EV for 3 years and have only once used a public charger. I charge on a cheap rate over night so the cost is just over 1p per mile. 

 

Metheven replied on 13/12/2021 22:57

Posted on 13/12/2021 22:57

I wonder as the popularity of EVs and home charging on cheaper night tariffs goes forward, will demand at night overtake demand by day and bringing an end to the benefit one has now. 

brue replied on 13/12/2021 23:19

Posted on 13/12/2021 23:19

We charge during the day, we're not on the economy overnight rates. We don't need to charge up every day and it's usually just a top up charge. So the draw isn't too long or expensive. I believe our day rates are less than those on overnight economy rates where day rates cost more. Either way are charge usage isn't too high although economy rates are good if you've got them. smile

allanandjean replied on 14/12/2021 09:45

Posted on 14/12/2021 09:45

Hi Chocolate Trees, Only just come across this and, like others, appreciate not just the time you have spent but the measured and even handed comments you make.

Like most things in life peoples thinking will be influenced by what they want to do-and inertia!

I would be able to manage with an EV, until I need to travel longer distances towing,.but do I want to make the change now or wait a while?-most likely wait, as improvements are pretty constant.

But that wont remove the stress of setting off on a journey-my most frequent longer distance trip is to Stoke Bruerne, the latest being last week-knowing that I have to stop at least twice and  will almost certainly have to unhitch my van.

An added concern, looking at the Zap Map today, is the number of charge points out of use, I looked at my area and the two most likely places I would be heading-Truro & Plymouth. Not maybe for me but as we do get one or two visitors they may find it an issue.

So, for me, its likely a decision that wont have to be made till we want to change the current car, an Audi Q5 2L diesel.

I did have a Q4 EV for a couple of days and while OK that was it however, speaking to the salesman he asked what would it take to persuade me and I said something like my Q5 to which he replied that he would expect to see me when the Q6 arrives in 2022!

Just need to have a bit more luck on the lottery but thanks again for the time spent and effort you have made to raise awareness.

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 19/12/2021 06:44

Posted on 18/12/2021 18:38 by

An example of what can crop up with electric cars. Daughter has been diverted to Milan due  to fog. Her partner was awaiting her in Venice in an EV. She is now looking for a train as the car wouldn't do the return without finding a recharge.

Posted on 19/12/2021 06:44

I remember a similar panic in France a few years ago when the French workers blocked ports & stopped fuel(petrol/diesel) from being distributed around France, that too created travel issues🤷🏻‍♂️, it happens irregularly but it does happen.

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