Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

brue replied on 03/12/2021 11:01

Posted on 03/12/2021 11:01

We had a friend who looked after batteries for these vehicles David, also other places that needed batteries too, the odd lighthouse came into his remit. Had he been alive now he would have been amazed at the progress.

ChocolateTrees replied on 03/12/2021 11:11

Posted on 03/12/2021 09:11 by JVB66

I bet those who have been without power after the storm  do not now want to  have EVscool

Posted on 03/12/2021 11:11

On the flip side, if you owned an Ioinq 5 or EV6, or a leaf or NV200 with a V2G charger, you could run your home from the 13A socket on the car. If you were fortunate enough to charge the car before the storm, a full 78kWh battery could run a kettle flat out for 28 hours. 

With a bit of judicious use of what you turned on and off, you could run your whole house for 3 days from one full battery. 

ChocolateTrees replied on 03/12/2021 11:59

Posted on 03/12/2021 09:24 by NutsyH

Brue

I said "new chargers" - it was announced along with the requirement that all new builds must have chargers installed from 2025.

I hear the birds, I also hear the cowbells. And there ain't no chargers on the high alpine passes.

Posted on 03/12/2021 11:59

And there ain't no chargers on the high alpine passes.

Apart from the ones where there are....

MikeyA replied on 03/12/2021 12:46

Posted on 03/12/2021 12:46

Chocoolate trees......  Whilst you may be able to unhitch your caravan at a motorway services (hopefully) it will not be possible every time and the chance of unhitching at other charging places is very questionable.

Luckily you avoided Crow Orchard for your charging stop as there is actually nowhere in the vicinity to leave your caravan.  The filling station is very congested and it is one I would never attempt to use with whilst towing even for diesel. There are no lay bys nearbyand only a garden centre car park, if it is open.

For those who are interested in cycling, it was at Crow Orchard where in 2012 a woman leaving the filling station collided with Bradley Wiggins, resulting in a very irate wife (of Wiggins) and a trip to hospital by ambulance for Bradley.

In conclusion the App make be fine for locating an electric point but useless to give info regarding unhitching of caravans.

JVB66 replied on 03/12/2021 13:57

Posted on 03/12/2021 13:57

I understand that batteries have improved in leaps and bounds in the years since I retired ,as back then we had battery-powered  locos, each two vehicle locos converted from old emu passenger driving vehicles 

The batteries filled each vehicle, and they had to be almost continually on charge as they were used as rescue and maintenance locos where tunnels were involved (tree are numerous on the East Coast and Branch lines out of KX and Moorgate

Iit was not an unusual event for them to arrive back on Depot ,being Hauled by an ICE loco as they had not enough power to get back especially when on a tunnel maintanace diagram

Wolfie1 replied on 04/12/2021 10:26

Posted on 04/12/2021 10:26

Thanks for posting your findings into charging with an electric vehicle, but oh my god what a faff, i will keep my petrol car for as long as possible!

Roger McNair replied on 04/12/2021 14:04

Posted on 04/12/2021 14:04

Thanks for a really interesting and informative post! Great to have an unbiased view on towing from a BEV pioneer. I think in conclusion when most BEVs have 800V charging and solid state batteries (which should hit production cars from 2028 onwards, increasing range and significantly reducing cost) then towing a heavy van (ours is1800kg) with a BEV will be  comparable to an ICE car.  

JohnM20 replied on 07/12/2021 15:50

Posted on 07/12/2021 15:50

Apologies for a slight deviation from the above thread which has made very interesting reading thanks to ChocolateTrees.

I've not been able to find any actual report online but yesterday two people, quite independently, told me of an incident in our local shopping centre when an electric car ran out of power as it exited the carpark. It blocked the exit, apparently, for some considerable time as it couldn't be pushed out of the way. I bet the driver was very popular. frown

ChocolateTrees replied on 08/12/2021 07:58

Posted on 07/12/2021 15:50 by JohnM20

Apologies for a slight deviation from the above thread which has made very interesting reading thanks to ChocolateTrees.

I've not been able to find any actual report online but yesterday two people, quite independently, told me of an incident in our local shopping centre when an electric car ran out of power as it exited the carpark. It blocked the exit, apparently, for some considerable time as it couldn't be pushed out of the way. I bet the driver was very popular. frown

Posted on 08/12/2021 07:58

If your local shopping centre is Stratford Westfield in London, then yes, this happened last month (Nov 21). The driver of a Tesla Model S ran out of power on the exit ramp, and it took a ludicrous 3 hours before the Center backed out the cars blocked behind it. 

What I (and every other electric car owner)(and probably most ICE car owners) doesn’t understand is why the driver let it happen. The Model S in question has up to 360 miles of range and there is a supercharger in that carpark. The car will have warned and warned and warned the driver it was low. 

Most EVs (mine included) have a “tow mode” that allows the car to be towed or pushed a short distance, just like an automatic ICE car. 

And why it took the centre so long to move the car is a mystery. Even at 6A on a granny lead, you can add 1 mile an hour to a car. 10 or 15 mins on a long extension lead would have been enough to get off the ramp. 

This was not a story about the issues of driving an electric car, but a story about human error. 

NutsyH replied on 08/12/2021 15:11

Posted on 03/12/2021 10:07 by brue

Many installations already have apps and links by choice, we haven't gone down this route but could you post a link to the government requirement? ( I know there have been questions re-cyber security and subsidies.) I am happy to learn more. smile

 

Posted on 08/12/2021 15:11

Brue

I don't have a link. I saw it on the news and in Sky news app. The point I am making is that it will enable the energy supplier to identify the amount of leccie used for charging, and tax it at a different rate to the current household vat of 5%, if so instructed by HMG.

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