Towing with an EV - trip report

ChocolateTrees replied on 26/11/2021 10:44

Posted on 26/11/2021 10:44

Warning - Very long post alert!

Towcar - Polestar 2 LongRange Dual motor Launch edition. (300kW motors (408ps) , 78kWh battery)
Caravan - Bailey Unicorn Vigo S3 Max weight upgrade.
2 Passengers on way - me and SWMBO - 4 on return (daughters joined us mid trip).
Start - Towcester in South Northants. Destination Borrowdale cub site in the Lake district.

7:00am 100%
We left home on the Friday morning (22nd Oct) at about 7:00am Car was charged to 100% over night and preconditioned using mains power. Roads were damp but clear skys and about 8C. Our route planned was A43 to M1, M1 to M6, M6 to Penrith and then down to Keswick and the site. I had planned for two charging stops, the 1st near Stoke on Trent and the second around Lancaster.

We got going in fairly light traffic until joining the M1. When towing with the EV, I set cruise at 56mph, but as soon as I find a big lorry, I tuck in behind it for slipstreaming and follow it. If a faster lorry comes past, I will pull out and follow that.
Progress was fine with a minor slow down on the M6 near J3, and good all through Birmingam. From getting started, I was watching my economy (kWh/100miles is how the car displays it) and looking for a number below 67 (lower is better) - my target for the journey. By Birmingham the number was at about 60 and I was very comfortable with a 2 stop strategy. Unfortunately, as we drove we were getting reports of major congestion on the M6 after Stafford with major queues. While that would be good for the EV economy - not so good for arrival time, so we opted for an early pit stop in Stafford services.

9:00am 35%
Stafford Northbound has two new Gridserve chargers and I had already looked at the location in the carpark. Ignoring the "caravans here" sign, we headed for the main carpark and found a quiet spot away from the cafe area near the white vans that accumulate there. Unhitched the van in a space, and I drove the 50 meters to the charger. One was in use and I popped the car on the other, starting the charge at 9:09. After 2 hours on the road I was ready for a coffee and cheeky bacon sarnie, so Greggs did the job. My wife and I took turns to head in and use the facilities, while the other guarded the van (corner steady down, sat inside). I consumed my coffee and food, opted for a second bathroom break and then we were ready to go again. 40 mins of charging yielded 34.7kWh (half a battery) and 72%. The charge was pretty slow by my cars standard averaging about 40kW


9:50am 72%
We hit the road again and battled through the rest of the M6 hold up with some rain kicking in. While in Stafford, we had decided to stop at Crow Orchard, a new 8 station charging hub South of Charnock Richard or - if the battery would stretch - at Charnock Richard, and then again near Penrith. The 1st stop at Stafford was earlier than I had planned and a 3 stop strategy seemed inevitable. As the miles rolled on, slipstreaming another big rig, I realised my economy was around 57kWh/100miles - much better than I had hoped. A quick calculation and look at WhatsApp and ABRP, revealed the E.ON chargers at Preston East - an ultra rapid, and in reach of our destination in one go if we got a good charge.

11:35 16% 164 miles
We pulled in again to the Starbucks at Preston East. A big wide space, right next to the 2 chargers was sitting waiting to take the caravan. Quick unhitch and onto charge. Once again, we took turns to use the facilities, had a coffee, and decided to eat a bit of early lunch. A couple of other EVs came and went, with the usual chatter (Is that a citroen - no, its a Polestar; What's it like towing the caravan - great; is it fast - very.) 48 mins ticked by and we hit the 90% needed to get all the way to Keswick. In the time it took me to get out and ready to unplug we hit 92.

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12:31 92%
The E.ON charger had been fast, 63kWh pulled in in 56 mins, still not as fast as the car can charge, but good. On the road one final time. We had a hard time finding a lorry to follow after ours inconsiderately left the M6 toward Blackpool, but did get onto one on the way up Shap. Economy suffered a bit, but not too badly, and I had built in a reserve. We left the M6 at Penrith, and headed down the A66. Back on the single lane section, it was much harder to keep the speed below 50. With the car set up to coast when my foot was off the accelerator, it would roll very easily over the speed limit on the down hill sections. Much attention needed.

14:30 11% 257 miles
We finally pulled into Borrowdale at about 2:30pm, having covered over 90 miles on the last leg, with 11% remaining. I paid for the pitch and paid for one nights EV charging from the post (£8). The wardens confirmed that we were the first full EV towing to use the site that they were aware of. We got set up and plugged the car in, with the car constrained to 8A to leave some headroom for the van appliances. By next morning we were back up to 55% and ready to head out.

Return Journey.

30/10/2021
8:40am 100% 7c Very wet 0miles
Again - we charged the car overnight on the Club site from the van, and preconditioned. The weather was poor, and had been for the last few days with the lakes making the national news due to rainfall. The lakes were high, rivers had burst, and the car had coped well.

We towed off the site, through Grange and gingerly headed back up toward Keswick, knowing there was at least one flooded section to drive through. Needn't have worried as the Polestar never missed a beat.
Heading up the A66 was miserable it was cold and wet and uphill all the way to Penrith. The target economy of 67 kWk/100m was nowhere to be seen with more like 85 showing. I told myself "its all up hill here, and Shap is downhill" and kept going. We joined the M6, and it was empty. Usually great for a holiday, but not if you want to follow a lorry. After a few mins we spotted on in the distance ahead and I eased the car up to 60 to catch it. We ducked into its stream and followed it to Preston. I shouldn't have worried as I was right; as soon as we were on the motorway, heading down hill and with a windbreaker lorry, the economy climbed and we were back below the target 67 by Kendal. Whilst we could have gone further on the battery charge remaining, we opted for the same stop as we had on the way up, as the driver and one passenger really needed to. Making the diversion into Preston East, we popped into exactly the same spot and charger as on the way up.

10:40am 17% 93 Miles
The sun came out, as we parked the caravan, this time with 4 of us. Coffee and hot chocolate, and a rapid charge. Target was 85%, but we hit 87% in 48 mins, loading in 60kWh. This time we had a two stop strategy in mind and I was aiming for Hilton Park services north of Birmingham.

11:30 87%
Back on the road, and the weather continued to improve. Following lorries all the way down, we got to Hilton Park services with no issues.

1:24pm 18% 187 miles
At Hilton park, the Caravan bays are separated from the main carpark by a low wall. We pulled into the caravan area and un-hitched. I then drove round to the charger and got started.
We manually turned the van round through 180, got a steady down and set up for loo stops and lunch. For whatever reason the new gridserve charger was on a go slow, delivering 51kWh in an hour. It didn't really matter as we ate lunch in the caravan, and had a coffee after. Our target was 80% and we left with 83% for the final leg home.

2:50pm 21% 260 miles
A stilly mistake as we came to the end of the M6, I got in the wrong lane, and ended up on the A14 east instead of the M1 south. Having chastised myself, we got of at the 1st junction and decided to head direct south through Northampton to home. A slightly longer route over all, but not as long as going back to the M1. We got home around 15 mins later than we would have hoped.

Take aways.
Average consumption
Outbound 57kWh/100miles;
Return leg - 60.6kWh/100m
(usually 34-36kWh/100m Solo)

1) The weather on the way back made a huge difference - wet more than cold impacts the economy.
2) We charged too much for the last section, I built in a good 15% more than I needed to, which was perhaps 15-17 mins of charging.
3) Planning really helps - knowing where you can stop, but not necessarily where you WILL stop. Gives you options.
4) Motorway services are not bad - just make up your own rules as to where you will park, and ask forgiveness rather than permission (not that I needed to).
5) Non-motorway services work really well too.
6) Longer distance caravanning works great in an EV if you are prepared to stop (like me). For those who want to do a 6 hour 300 mile tow in one go, not so much.
7) Would I trade in the extra range for going back to an ICE tow car? Emphatic no for me. The Kia EV6 would be on my list of tow cars though for the ultra rapid (18min 10-80%) charge speed.

MikeBG replied on 05/01/2022 21:01

Posted on 02/12/2021 10:14 by NutsyH

Disclosure - I am a petrolhead so biased, however CT is pleased with his car and is providing us all with useful, real time information on using one of these EV's.

The fact that CT's EV is a company car makes a massive difference to the cost - in several ways.

No benefit in kind tax on both the vehicle cost and personal use of fuel. Salary sacrifice  to fund the lease costs, saving substantial amounts of income tax and NI (personal and employer) - all  fine if you are an employee but no good for us retired types.

Also at the moment no VED or fuel tax - although that will no doubt change. Tax on mileage would require such massive, costly infrastructure that it will not happen in my lifetime.

Whilst I have no stats, I suspect that the vast majority of EV cars currently in use are company vehicles, but for privately owned EVs the cost is not justifiable.

Regarding the comments in this thread about the number of fuel pumps compared to the number of charging points, what is overlooked in comparing the numbers is the plain fact that filling a 110 litre diesel tank (my SUV) takes around 5 minutes max - compared to what for an EV? 1 hour maybe? So you need 12 chargers at least for each fossil pump. And I get 650 miles out of that, reducing to around 400 when towing.

What is said above about Johnson is spot on. This stupid 2030 cliff edge hasn't even been passed in Parliament yet - it has been pushed back to "sometime" in 2022. I think it was all a gimmick to make him look good at Cop26. Surely someone with sense in HMG will realise that this timescale is unsustainable without crippling the country. There was nothing in his Manifesto about any of this climate change stuff - I wonder if his majority would have been as big if we had all known what he (more like Carrie) was planning? 

Posted on 05/01/2022 21:01

Your point about fuel pumps is of course correct but you then forget the point that the majority of EV owners have home chargers and that 90% of their charging is done at home. I don't believe that most fossil fuel cars have a fuel source at home. So that needs to be factored into the calculations.

However the building of the charging network needs to keep pace with the increase in EVs which it's certainly not doing at the moment.

Recently on a trip back from London to Ross On Wye (not towing) we pulled into two service areas where all the chargers were already in use

MikeBG replied on 05/01/2022 21:29

Posted on 05/01/2022 21:29

So I've gone for it.. the all electric family. We already have a Zoe and have had it for 18 months so used to the EV world. Planning routes on long journeys via ZapMap is second nature. We don't think about it much anymore. But, up until now we've also got a diesel Kodiaq for towing our VIP 520 (1500KG) and long two person journeys.

In a weeks time the Kodiaq will be gone and we'll have a tow car that can tow 2500Kg with a WLTP range of 380 miles. 4 wheel drive of course. so that means that towing range will be 'ballpark' 150 miles, maybe more. We already have a 22Kw 3 phase charger at home and the Zoe of course can pull the full 32A per phase. Annoyingly the BMW will only pull 16A per phase but still pretty good to charge overnight.

DC charging at services it can pull 195Kw when the chargers have that capability.

We'll see how it goes. We will also tow in France but have a 2nd small van there already weighing only 1100Kg but we'll not be towing between the UK and France, only solo.

replied on 05/01/2022 21:32

Posted on 05/01/2022 21:32

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ChocolateTrees replied on 05/01/2022 22:57

Posted on 05/01/2022 21:29 by MikeBG

So I've gone for it.. the all electric family. We already have a Zoe and have had it for 18 months so used to the EV world. Planning routes on long journeys via ZapMap is second nature. We don't think about it much anymore. But, up until now we've also got a diesel Kodiaq for towing our VIP 520 (1500KG) and long two person journeys.

In a weeks time the Kodiaq will be gone and we'll have a tow car that can tow 2500Kg with a WLTP range of 380 miles. 4 wheel drive of course. so that means that towing range will be 'ballpark' 150 miles, maybe more. We already have a 22Kw 3 phase charger at home and the Zoe of course can pull the full 32A per phase. Annoyingly the BMW will only pull 16A per phase but still pretty good to charge overnight.

DC charging at services it can pull 195Kw when the chargers have that capability.

We'll see how it goes. We will also tow in France but have a 2nd small van there already weighing only 1100Kg but we'll not be towing between the UK and France, only solo.

Posted on 05/01/2022 22:57

Is that the iX ? Will be very interested to hear how you get on!

Oscarmax replied on 06/02/2022 11:02

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:02

Please excuse my grammar I suffered a brain injury a few years ago.

The increase in energy cost how will affect EV vehicles,

Our previous vehicle 2017 Ford Kuga 2 litre diesel 150 Powershift realistically averaged 40 mpg, 8,000 miles per year @ £6.50 gallon = £1,300

An efficient Hyundia Kona EV 8,000 miles realistic  3.5 kWh mile per kWh @ £0.40 kW =£914, @ £0.50 kW = £1.143

Unfortunately not all EV are as efficient as the Kona for example Nissan leaf and assuming you achieving 3.5 kWh ?

 

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 06/02/2022 11:50

Posted on 05/01/2022 21:32 by

Interesting report on R4 "you and yours" today on the subject of what steps the government may take to recoup the losses of fuel duty  when EV use displaces petrol and diesel.  They spoke to several EV owners and not surprisingly non of the sugestions  about taxation found any favour with them. 

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:50

Shockingly I’m still not a fan of taxation & I’ve never met an enthusiast yet🤔😊

viatorem replied on 06/02/2022 12:59

Posted on 06/02/2022 12:59

Does anyone know the effects of towing on battery life? I assume that if you tow regularly you get through the charge cycles more rapidly?. I read that batteries capacity can degrade by 10-25% over 100,000 miles, Will this be accelerated by towing? 

Questions that prospective purchasers of used EV's probably need to know the answers to.

I note that most EV warranties cover battery failure but not % loss of range.

 

Oscarmax replied on 06/02/2022 13:11

Posted on 06/02/2022 12:59 by viatorem

Does anyone know the effects of towing on battery life? I assume that if you tow regularly you get through the charge cycles more rapidly?. I read that batteries capacity can degrade by 10-25% over 100,000 miles, Will this be accelerated by towing? 

 

Posted on 06/02/2022 13:11

Our 2020 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV now 20 months old 10,500 miles  approximately 2,000 miles towing battery still good as new only time will tell.

ChocolateTrees replied on 07/02/2022 14:31

Posted on 06/02/2022 11:02 by Oscarmax

Please excuse my grammar I suffered a brain injury a few years ago.

The increase in energy cost how will affect EV vehicles,

Our previous vehicle 2017 Ford Kuga 2 litre diesel 150 Powershift realistically averaged 40 mpg, 8,000 miles per year @ £6.50 gallon = £1,300

An efficient Hyundia Kona EV 8,000 miles realistic  3.5 kWh mile per kWh @ £0.40 kW =£914, @ £0.50 kW = £1.143

Unfortunately not all EV are as efficient as the Kona for example Nissan leaf and assuming you achieving 3.5 kWh ?

 

Posted on 07/02/2022 14:31

Oscarmax - those numbers look good if you are only comparing public charging. With home charging, it can still be 7.5p/kWh = £171

 

 

Oscarmax replied on 07/02/2022 15:01

Posted on 07/02/2022 14:31 by ChocolateTrees

Oscarmax - those numbers look good if you are only comparing public charging. With home charging, it can still be 7.5p/kWh = £171

 

 

Posted on 07/02/2022 15:01

We are quite fortunate  we have a 7kW Podpoint, Octopus Energy Go tariff 5p off peak and 13.92 normal until March 2023, We have a 2020 Outlander PHEV and later in March 4.4kWh solar system, however, all these tariffs I believe are closed to new users or coming to an end for existing customers. 

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